Comments on: “Just looking around” in Manhattan http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Thu, 17 May 2012 21:10:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Manhattan News Blog http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7595 Manhattan News Blog Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:09:56 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7595 <strong>Learning a lesson about Modesto</strong> Thanks for "Meek creek can roar" (Jan. 7, Page A-1). It was an informative article with beautiful photographs. I was reared and educated in Modesto, but maintain a sneaking suspicion that I'm not a real Californian -- precisely because I don't know the... Learning a lesson about Modesto

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]]> By: Grant http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7592 Grant Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:38:19 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7592 Robert, you and I are, I think, the only ones to have read Buamgartner's great book. (I never see it cited.) Yes, some of the gaze economy is devoted to the question "who should I be avoiding." As to college campuses, the McGill campus is in full gaze economy mode and this is truly hormone assisted (and of course stimulating). Some part of the college experience is being negotiated and indeed determined as a result. I am invisible, something I deeply resent and happily embrace, both at once. Thanks for a great post (and the Shirky quote)! Best, Grant Robert, you and I are, I think, the only ones to have read Buamgartner’s great book. (I never see it cited.) Yes, some of the gaze economy is devoted to the question “who should I be avoiding.” As to college campuses, the McGill campus is in full gaze economy mode and this is truly hormone assisted (and of course stimulating). Some part of the college experience is being negotiated and indeed determined as a result. I am invisible, something I deeply resent and happily embrace, both at once. Thanks for a great post (and the Shirky quote)! Best, Grant

]]> By: slowmath http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7596 slowmath Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:28:13 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7596 <strong>Its playing feels</strong> Nothing to do with anything, just some good things I was reading today: Gaze data of NYCers And speaking of which, from Language Log: incommensurability, indeterminacy, Quine, Sapir-Whorf, etc., or the impossibility of complete translation, I think. Al... Its playing feels

Nothing to do with anything, just some good things I was reading today: Gaze data of NYCers And speaking of which, from Language Log: incommensurability, indeterminacy, Quine, Sapir-Whorf, etc., or the impossibility of complete translation, I think. Al…

]]> By: Grant http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7591 Grant Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:31:37 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7591 John, thanks for the ethnographic data. Henceforth, I will hope to be identified as a tourist when in NYC. (Like I have any real choice.) As to south, I like the risk of these offers. We offer them with the assurance that they will be refused. And darn it's annoying when someone takes us at our word. "How dare you, sir. Surely any idiot can see I was merely being polite!" Thanks again, Grant John, thanks for the ethnographic data. Henceforth, I will hope to be identified as a tourist when in NYC. (Like I have any real choice.) As to south, I like the risk of these offers. We offer them with the assurance that they will be refused. And darn it’s annoying when someone takes us at our word. “How dare you, sir. Surely any idiot can see I was merely being polite!” Thanks again, Grant

]]> By: John Thacker http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7590 John Thacker Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:52:35 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7590 New Yorkers tend to be incredibly polite in my experience when they realize that they're talking to a tourist, at least in the "Tourist Zones." They know that dealing with other New Yorkers, that's not necessary, but recognize that outsiders sometimes like politeness. I should point out that in the American South, emotions are also quite often hid, albeit in a somewhat different way than in the UK or Japan. The South has its own traditions of making somewhat-insincere offers necessitated by honor and society, and expected refusals. When dealing with real Southerners, most offers require a refusal, and then are accepted only upon insistence. New Yorkers tend to be incredibly polite in my experience when they realize that they’re talking to a tourist, at least in the “Tourist Zones.” They know that dealing with other New Yorkers, that’s not necessary, but recognize that outsiders sometimes like politeness.

I should point out that in the American South, emotions are also quite often hid, albeit in a somewhat different way than in the UK or Japan. The South has its own traditions of making somewhat-insincere offers necessitated by honor and society, and expected refusals. When dealing with real Southerners, most offers require a refusal, and then are accepted only upon insistence.

]]> By: Grant http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7589 Grant Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:18:21 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7589 Steve, very, very interesting, a moat, then a draw bridge (or something). Thanks. Grant Tom, looking forward to gathering data all over the island. On the other hand, I was in alphabet city a couple of years ago, and some guy said "I smell a yuppie" by which I'm pretty sure he meant me. I will look to you for advice on how to blend in. Thanks, Grant Steve, very, very interesting, a moat, then a draw bridge (or something). Thanks. Grant

Tom, looking forward to gathering data all over the island. On the other hand, I was in alphabet city a couple of years ago, and some guy said “I smell a yuppie” by which I’m pretty sure he meant me. I will look to you for advice on how to blend in. Thanks, Grant

]]> By: Tom http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7588 Tom Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:52:05 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7588 Remember, Grant, you're describing an official, "NYC Tourist Certified Zone," in midtown...come on downtown where we're a little more hardcore! Remember, Grant, you’re describing an official, “NYC Tourist Certified Zone,” in midtown…come on downtown where we’re a little more hardcore!

]]> By: Steve Portigal http://cultureby.com/2004/08/just_looking_ar.html/comment-page-1#comment-7587 Steve Portigal Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:12:41 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1133#comment-7587 My most recent New York experience finally gave me some data to reconcile the seemingly contradictory New Yorker conclusions I had drawn - New Yorkers are the friendliest most socially adjusted people vs. New Yorkers are rude, hostile, etc. I propose that the gaze defense/engagement is definitely a two-step process. Maybe other primates do this as well, but I suggest that in New York you will encounter immediate territory defining hostility (passive or agressive) that is held for a period of time, and then gives way to welcoming interactive graciousness. Example: the guy that won't move his chair 2 inches when you are trying to sit down at the crowded Zabar's breakfast bar area, ignores you entirely (age? language? too many hoods on his head? attitude?) and then minutes later when something else opens up will move his chair, move your chair, invite you to slide over, move your plate for you, smile and more. Grant - I probably should be expressing this in terms of gaze economics, but maybe the translation is easy :) My most recent New York experience finally gave me some data to reconcile the seemingly contradictory New Yorker conclusions I had drawn – New Yorkers are the friendliest most socially adjusted people vs. New Yorkers are rude, hostile, etc.

I propose that the gaze defense/engagement is definitely a two-step process. Maybe other primates do this as well, but I suggest that in New York you will encounter immediate territory defining hostility (passive or agressive) that is held for a period of time, and then gives way to welcoming interactive graciousness.

Example: the guy that won’t move his chair 2 inches when you are trying to sit down at the crowded Zabar’s breakfast bar area, ignores you entirely (age? language? too many hoods on his head? attitude?) and then minutes later when something else opens up will move his chair, move your chair, invite you to slide over, move your plate for you, smile and more.

Grant – I probably should be expressing this in terms of gaze economics, but maybe the translation is easy :)

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