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	<title>Comments on: Conspicuous consumption (or, what happened to Conrad Black?)</title>
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		<title>By: Scott McArthur</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant,
It isn&#039;t the incentive that we need to concern ourselves with here. The animal in us will always crave the purse that is always full, the kitchen of never ending delights, the body the stays eternally youthfull, the crystal ball that reveals all the worlds secrets.
Blackies problem is that he didn&#039;t want to work for it. He wanted to get all the reward through cleverness rather than hard work - which is why he frauded his millions. Why he packed the board with courtiers and sycophants. Why he indulged in every conflict of interest known to modern corporations.
In clearer times a betrayal of this sort would have been rewarded with hanging to near death, slow removal of the intestines and finally four stout horses to quarter the man.
A society that does not set a stern example for its elite becomes corrupted and weak. We may no longer have access to these harsh methods but a modern equivalent is necessary to keep our culture healthy, dynamic and productive.
One sometimes hears jokes about how Roy Thomson was so stingy he rode the TTC to work. This offends our sensibilites about how an elite man, an aristocratic man, a cultural leader should behave. But old Roy had older, stronger and sterner virtues that respected who he was and what he was to our culture - a creator of value.
Conrad was nothing but a dissapator.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant,</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the incentive that we need to concern ourselves with here. The animal in us will always crave the purse that is always full, the kitchen of never ending delights, the body the stays eternally youthfull, the crystal ball that reveals all the worlds secrets.</p>
<p>Blackies problem is that he didn&#8217;t want to work for it. He wanted to get all the reward through cleverness rather than hard work &#8211; which is why he frauded his millions. Why he packed the board with courtiers and sycophants. Why he indulged in every conflict of interest known to modern corporations.</p>
<p>In clearer times a betrayal of this sort would have been rewarded with hanging to near death, slow removal of the intestines and finally four stout horses to quarter the man.</p>
<p>A society that does not set a stern example for its elite becomes corrupted and weak. We may no longer have access to these harsh methods but a modern equivalent is necessary to keep our culture healthy, dynamic and productive.</p>
<p>One sometimes hears jokes about how Roy Thomson was so stingy he rode the TTC to work. This offends our sensibilites about how an elite man, an aristocratic man, a cultural leader should behave. But old Roy had older, stronger and sterner virtues that respected who he was and what he was to our culture &#8211; a creator of value.</p>
<p>Conrad was nothing but a dissapator.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skeptikos, don&#039;t get me wrong, this entry is not about admiration.  It says, and somewhat I thought somewhat grudgingly, that if the price of incenting talent is 100 pairs of shoes (etc.) then we pay it.  What we don&#039;t want is that &quot;sudden sense of sufficiency&quot; overtaking someone who has something important to offer.  We don&#039;t want them opting out.  The thing about Black is that it always seemed that his intellectual interests might distinguish him from the usual freespending lord of industry...but apparently not.  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptikos, don&#8217;t get me wrong, this entry is not about admiration.  It says, and somewhat I thought somewhat grudgingly, that if the price of incenting talent is 100 pairs of shoes (etc.) then we pay it.  What we don&#8217;t want is that &#8220;sudden sense of sufficiency&#8221; overtaking someone who has something important to offer.  We don&#8217;t want them opting out.  The thing about Black is that it always seemed that his intellectual interests might distinguish him from the usual freespending lord of industry&#8230;but apparently not.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptikos</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2004/09/conspicuous_con.html/comment-page-1#comment-7409</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptikos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating. &quot;But when it comes to their own resources, we want their consumer preferences to scale up endlessly.&quot; Well. Freedom certainly demands that be allowed. But perhaps I&#039;m just dumb, but is that really what we want? I have to admit, I am a &quot;freemarket&quot; enthusiast, but...I view those who let their preferences &quot;scale up endlessly&quot;, to be very much like addicts (and I mean this in the metaphorical sense). Units of credit, fictional, functional symbols that aid trading and efficiency are wonderful. However, I have yet to meet an interesting person (obviously subjective determination) who actually lived their life by the &quot;carrot and stick&quot; method. Do you? I have to admit that I doubt it. Credit capital is great. But, just as important are the various other forms of capital. My personal knowledge, friends, my contribution to family, community and culture. I was personally always suspicious of Mr. Black, primarily because of the personal similarity between him, and a local drug lord (Cook County, IL) that I had met a few years back. They were both primarily omnivores, mainly dedicated to satisfying their monumental hunger. And more power to them. It just seems a bit too &quot;Leninist&quot; to me to ever have held this particular type of hunger up to any kind of admiration (Lenin to me was the ultimate runaway, non-value capitalist. He controlled the state, the state owned everybody and everything).
&quot;But when it comes to their own resources, we want their consumer preferences to scale up endlessly.&quot;
I thought that the true free market went beyond that type of un-imaginative consumption. Didn&#039;t Mr. Black merely demonstrate that he was not a true capitalist, but merely a chimp hording? But perhaps I am being overly critical. I have yet to understand the &quot;value&quot; of Mr. Black, except of course for his entertainment value.
Isnt capital merely a tool? Just like a computer? When did we return to the concept that display, rather than function was the way to go, display is good, I love my silk/wool sweaters, and dont even get me started on my full length leather coat, or how much it cost, but that is affectation, fun, but not terribly important. And really, is its worth exactly the same as the joy I had the other day, volunteering to push an elderly gentle lady around Lincoln Park zoo here in Chicago in a wheelchair? No. Not for me. Somehow I sense that Mr. Black was slightly off balance in his pursuit of capital and display. And really, I do feel sorry for him. But then again, I regard all my capital as significant. Not just my credits. Psychologically speaking, is Mr. Black really someone we should ever have aspired to be? I always looked at him the same way I look at the young local commies who live in public housing here in Chicago, ideological purists. But I have always pitied them. I have always been lucky to be included in both local poetry readings by starving artists, and fundraisers at the most prestigious functions. Those individuals I have admired on both levels, understood these concepts in ways that men like Castro and Black never will. Perhaps I am being too extreme myself, but to me there is only a hairs difference between Mr. Black and Castro.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. &#8220;But when it comes to their own resources, we want their consumer preferences to scale up endlessly.&#8221; Well. Freedom certainly demands that be allowed. But perhaps I&#8217;m just dumb, but is that really what we want? I have to admit, I am a &#8220;freemarket&#8221; enthusiast, but&#8230;I view those who let their preferences &#8220;scale up endlessly&#8221;, to be very much like addicts (and I mean this in the metaphorical sense). Units of credit, fictional, functional symbols that aid trading and efficiency are wonderful. However, I have yet to meet an interesting person (obviously subjective determination) who actually lived their life by the &#8220;carrot and stick&#8221; method. Do you? I have to admit that I doubt it. Credit capital is great. But, just as important are the various other forms of capital. My personal knowledge, friends, my contribution to family, community and culture. I was personally always suspicious of Mr. Black, primarily because of the personal similarity between him, and a local drug lord (Cook County, IL) that I had met a few years back. They were both primarily omnivores, mainly dedicated to satisfying their monumental hunger. And more power to them. It just seems a bit too &#8220;Leninist&#8221; to me to ever have held this particular type of hunger up to any kind of admiration (Lenin to me was the ultimate runaway, non-value capitalist. He controlled the state, the state owned everybody and everything).</p>
<p>&#8220;But when it comes to their own resources, we want their consumer preferences to scale up endlessly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought that the true free market went beyond that type of un-imaginative consumption. Didn&#8217;t Mr. Black merely demonstrate that he was not a true capitalist, but merely a chimp hording? But perhaps I am being overly critical. I have yet to understand the &#8220;value&#8221; of Mr. Black, except of course for his entertainment value.</p>
<p>Isnt capital merely a tool? Just like a computer? When did we return to the concept that display, rather than function was the way to go, display is good, I love my silk/wool sweaters, and dont even get me started on my full length leather coat, or how much it cost, but that is affectation, fun, but not terribly important. And really, is its worth exactly the same as the joy I had the other day, volunteering to push an elderly gentle lady around Lincoln Park zoo here in Chicago in a wheelchair? No. Not for me. Somehow I sense that Mr. Black was slightly off balance in his pursuit of capital and display. And really, I do feel sorry for him. But then again, I regard all my capital as significant. Not just my credits. Psychologically speaking, is Mr. Black really someone we should ever have aspired to be? I always looked at him the same way I look at the young local commies who live in public housing here in Chicago, ideological purists. But I have always pitied them. I have always been lucky to be included in both local poetry readings by starving artists, and fundraisers at the most prestigious functions. Those individuals I have admired on both levels, understood these concepts in ways that men like Castro and Black never will. Perhaps I am being too extreme myself, but to me there is only a hairs difference between Mr. Black and Castro.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin, thanks, I&#039;ve heard the widow story, too.  Heard to know what to believe.  He has been so badly treated the press.  I did some good things for the English press, I think.  And the Post is a wonderful newspaper and a great addition to the somewhat sleepy Globe.  So he is something more than a pirate, if he is that.  Thanks, Grant
Jonnie, I think that choice was forced upon him by a spiteful PM.  And I&#039;d like to know who the PM thought he was representing when he made that decision.  Not me!  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin, thanks, I&#8217;ve heard the widow story, too.  Heard to know what to believe.  He has been so badly treated the press.  I did some good things for the English press, I think.  And the Post is a wonderful newspaper and a great addition to the somewhat sleepy Globe.  So he is something more than a pirate, if he is that.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Jonnie, I think that choice was forced upon him by a spiteful PM.  And I&#8217;d like to know who the PM thought he was representing when he made that decision.  Not me!  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: jonni</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please, let the black&#039;s of the world consume to their heart&#039;s content.  but not on the dime of company, which ultimately, comes out of the pocket of the workers and stock holders.
also, i don&#039;t know how much i can actually trust a man who&#039;s so willing to give up his citizenship for the sole purpose of gaining a title in another.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please, let the black&#8217;s of the world consume to their heart&#8217;s content.  but not on the dime of company, which ultimately, comes out of the pocket of the workers and stock holders.</p>
<p>also, i don&#8217;t know how much i can actually trust a man who&#8217;s so willing to give up his citizenship for the sole purpose of gaining a title in another.</p>
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