Comments on: Harleys, hot cars, and noise abatement http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:43:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: gs http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7370 gs Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:13:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7370 thanks for rants thanks for rants

]]> By: Anonymous http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7369 Anonymous Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:39 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7369 Elitist and stereotypical Elitist and stereotypical

]]> By: BobF http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7368 BobF Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:28:34 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7368 Okay, I've had about enough with this motorcycle muffler issue - I say that these whiney morotcycle riders are just pussies. Here's why: The argument commonly given is "it's for safety, man!" - to which I respond "fine, but since I ride a Vespa scooter I should have an even louder noisemaker. And when I ride my recumbent bicycle, which is completely silent and low-slung to boot, I ought to have a freakin' air-raid siren becuase I'm all scared-like that some yutz in a car will not "hear" me and thus hit me. So, either I'm a really brave death-defying type of guy, or these motorbikers who insist it's a safety issue are wimps who are scared of what every cyclist and scooter rider deals with daily. The alternate concept is that these demanders of loud pipes have a different agenda - they want to be noticed (kind of goes along with the tats and the Kaiser helmets etc.) and a loud bike just causes more people to turn their heads. I tend to believe this is the real reason behind all the BS about safety - but if these tough guys are afraid of telling that truth then they are still, nevertheless, pussies. So to all you rationalizing riders who think you're making sense with the "but more noise is necessary" arguments, I say get a backbone. Either grow the courage of your bicycling brethren, or tell us you real reason and don't hide behind the skirts of professed safety. And if you decide to cool off by riding around without a helmet, feel free to do so - just don't expct my tax dollars to cover your medical expenses if you have an accident and end up a vegetable. BobF Okay, I’ve had about enough with this motorcycle muffler issue – I say that these whiney morotcycle riders are just pussies. Here’s why:

The argument commonly given is “it’s for safety, man!” – to which I respond “fine, but since I ride a Vespa scooter I should have an even louder noisemaker. And when I ride my recumbent bicycle, which is completely silent and low-slung to boot, I ought to have a freakin’ air-raid siren becuase I’m all scared-like that some yutz in a car will not “hear” me and thus hit me. So, either I’m a really brave death-defying type of guy, or these motorbikers who insist it’s a safety issue are wimps who are scared of what every cyclist and scooter rider deals with daily.

The alternate concept is that these demanders of loud pipes have a different agenda – they want to be noticed (kind of goes along with the tats and the Kaiser helmets etc.) and a loud bike just causes more people to turn their heads. I tend to believe this is the real reason behind all the BS about safety – but if these tough guys are afraid of telling that truth then they are still, nevertheless, pussies.

So to all you rationalizing riders who think you’re making sense with the “but more noise is necessary” arguments, I say get a backbone. Either grow the courage of your bicycling brethren, or tell us you real reason and don’t hide behind the skirts of professed safety.

And if you decide to cool off by riding around without a helmet, feel free to do so – just don’t expct my tax dollars to cover your medical expenses if you have an accident and end up a vegetable.

BobF

]]> By: Rattletrap http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7367 Rattletrap Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:42:29 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7367 Keep in mind that not all Harley riders are "Greasy, 50 year old, biker with a prison record, a meth problem and a history of wife abuse." I myself am a college graduate with 2 degrees in engineering, no record at all, and no history of abuse of any kind. I am a taxpaying homeowner with a good job an even better girlfriend. I have a deep respect and appreciation for peoples rights. True enough, there are indeed folks whose bikes are a bit loud, however if you have ever ridden a motorcycle (which I doubt) you would know that a motorcycle DOES have to be a bit louder than other vehicles if for no other reason than visibility. This visibility would not be needed as much if it were not for your typical self-important yuppie scum discussing their pitiful self indulgent lives on their cell phones inside their S.U.V's while listening to their favorite corporate sell-out radio station. There are a LOT of rich boy wannabees riding around who want to flaunt their stuff on an over priced sellout bike. I myself ride a 1978 Harley Low Rider that I purchsed as a basket case. I restored the bike by myself in one summer and it sports a set of muffler pipes that clock in at 82 db (which I measured with a decibel meter borrowed from work). I and two friends have to go to court on August 10th to dispute three $225.00 tickets. My ticket for "Improper Mufflers" and my two friends for "excessive noise." The police didn't have any noise measurement equipment with them. They were simply pulling over bikes that, in their opinion, were too loud. We didn't get these tickets because of noise, far from it. We were ticketed because we are in a motorcycle club. I tested each of our bikes, they came in under the limits of noise allowed. In fact each of us use "Stock" pipes. Some people can't drop the stigma of motorcycle clubs that was generated in the days of Altamont. People still look down upon bikers. Keep in mind that many bike clubs, such as ours does a great deal of charity work and fights for civil rights. If you removed every biker from the face of the earth so the police didn't have them to harass, the police would then harass you. If a cop can pull me over with no measurement equipment of any kind, delay me, harass me, speak to me in a rude and condescending manner (and if you doubt this I can send you an MP3 of the conversation) and issue me a $225.00 ticket for an infraction I did not commit based on a law that dosen't even apply to my bike because of its age then what stops them from doing this to you? Also, don't compare a Harley rider to the idiot riding wheelies through traffic or racing his crotch rocket on the highway up to speeds of 160 MPH. These morons just make the police look at us with more contempt and make the insurance companies raise our rates. Grant McCracken, I won't tell you to shut your pie hole because you have the right to your opinion, however sterotyping all individuals that simply ride a Harley is pure ignorance. You let your anger, bitterness, and arrogance speak for you and it sums you up well. Rattletrap Keep in mind that not all Harley riders are “Greasy, 50 year old, biker with a prison record, a meth problem and a history of wife abuse.” I myself am a college graduate with 2 degrees in engineering, no record at all, and no history of abuse of any kind. I am a taxpaying homeowner with a good job an even better girlfriend. I have a deep respect and appreciation for peoples rights. True enough, there are indeed folks whose bikes are a bit loud, however if you have ever ridden a motorcycle (which I doubt) you would know that a motorcycle DOES have to be a bit louder than other vehicles if for no other reason than visibility. This visibility would not be needed as much if it were not for your typical self-important yuppie scum discussing their pitiful self indulgent lives on their cell phones inside their S.U.V’s while listening to their favorite corporate sell-out radio station. There are a LOT of rich boy wannabees riding around who want to flaunt their stuff on an over priced sellout bike. I myself ride a 1978 Harley Low Rider that I purchsed as a basket case. I restored the bike by myself in one summer and it sports a set of muffler pipes that clock in at 82 db (which I measured with a decibel meter borrowed from work). I and two friends have to go to court on August 10th to dispute three $225.00 tickets. My ticket for “Improper Mufflers” and my two friends for “excessive noise.” The police didn’t have any noise measurement equipment with them. They were simply pulling over bikes that, in their opinion, were too loud. We didn’t get these tickets because of noise, far from it. We were ticketed because we are in a motorcycle club. I tested each of our bikes, they came in under the limits of noise allowed. In fact each of us use “Stock” pipes. Some people can’t drop the stigma of motorcycle clubs that was generated in the days of Altamont. People still look down upon bikers. Keep in mind that many bike clubs, such as ours does a great deal of charity work and fights for civil rights. If you removed every biker from the face of the earth so the police didn’t have them to harass, the police would then harass you. If a cop can pull me over with no measurement equipment of any kind, delay me, harass me, speak to me in a rude and condescending manner (and if you doubt this I can send you an MP3 of the conversation) and issue me a $225.00 ticket for an infraction I did not commit based on a law that dosen’t even apply to my bike because of its age then what stops them from doing this to you? Also, don’t compare a Harley rider to the idiot riding wheelies through traffic or racing his crotch rocket on the highway up to speeds of 160 MPH. These morons just make the police look at us with more contempt and make the insurance companies raise our rates. Grant McCracken, I won’t tell you to shut your pie hole because you have the right to your opinion, however sterotyping all individuals that simply ride a Harley is pure ignorance. You let your anger, bitterness, and arrogance speak for you and it sums you up well.

Rattletrap

]]> By: kiranveer singh>k_candy1@hotmail.com http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7366 kiranveer singh>k_candy1@hotmail.com Tue, 31 May 2005 18:03:29 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7366 YOOOOOOOOO hay.....whats up my homiezzzz...i don't think dere4 shud be n e noise. It is a moving violation and goes on your auto insurance and costs big bucks. Don't pay it and your plates are gone still don't and your license is next. As well...i don't take a bath so basicallyyy...IM MA SEND OUT SHOUTOUTZ TO MA HOME GURL KIM...O YA.....WE'RE GUNA WIN THE CAR CONTEST!!!1 YOOOOOOOOO
hay…..whats up my homiezzzz…i don’t think dere4 shud be n e noise. It is a moving violation and goes on your auto insurance and costs big bucks. Don’t pay it and your plates are gone still don’t and your license is next. As well…i don’t take a bath so basicallyyy…IM MA SEND OUT SHOUTOUTZ TO MA HOME GURL KIM…O YA…..WE’RE GUNA WIN THE CAR CONTEST!!!1

]]> By: jenene http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7365 jenene Tue, 31 May 2005 17:54:12 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7365 yOOOOOOOO...mi homeeeezzz..i dun tink da dis shyt is tru,,,,to mi shizzle...das y imma say leess noize is da best...tothe shizzle yOOOOOOOO…mi homeeeezzz..i dun tink da dis shyt is tru,,,,to mi shizzle…das y imma say leess noize is da best…tothe shizzle

]]> By: john http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7364 john Wed, 25 May 2005 19:12:49 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7364 Every harley tested failed the decimal tes last week at NH HD Seacoast HD Dealership. 106 is allowable in MA. it is 99. It is a moving violation and goes on your auto insurance and costs big bucks. Don't pay it and your plates are gone still don't and your license is next. This wise guy Harley attitude stops as soon as the cops put you under arrest believe me. Loud pipes are for look at me show only crap. Bikers need to grow up and put there little noise makers away. BO HO HO There like wining little babies with there rattle taken away Every harley tested failed the decimal tes last week at NH HD Seacoast HD Dealership. 106 is allowable in MA. it is 99. It is a moving violation and goes on your auto insurance and costs big bucks. Don’t pay it and your plates are gone still don’t and your license is next. This wise guy Harley attitude stops as soon as the cops put you under arrest believe me. Loud pipes are for look at me show only crap. Bikers need to grow up and put there little noise makers away. BO HO HO There like wining little babies with there rattle taken away

]]> By: Steve-o http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7363 Steve-o Wed, 25 May 2005 13:37:47 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7363 Judging by the thoughful comments posted as follow-ups to your article, I think it's safe to say that the cretins you describe probably aren't heavy Internet users. QED. I came across this article while doing research into my state's laws on motor vehicles with altered emissions hardware (straight pipes). Seems there are laws on the books which simply aren't enforced. I wonder how many police officers own "altered" motorcycles...hmmm... I'm striking back, though. I've purchased a hand-held air horn, the type used by recreational boaters to signal for help. It's quite loud. You should see the looks I get when I fire the thing off in the direction of the wannabe Hell's Angels thrumbling by my home! Ta, Steve-o Judging by the thoughful comments posted as follow-ups to your article, I think it’s safe to say that the cretins you describe probably aren’t heavy Internet users. QED.

I came across this article while doing research into my state’s laws on motor vehicles with altered emissions hardware (straight pipes). Seems there are laws on the books which simply aren’t enforced.

I wonder how many police officers own “altered” motorcycles…hmmm…

I’m striking back, though. I’ve purchased a hand-held air horn, the type used by recreational boaters to signal for help. It’s quite loud. You should see the looks I get when I fire the thing off in the direction of the wannabe Hell’s Angels thrumbling by my home!

Ta,
Steve-o

]]> By: Loren http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7362 Loren Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:42:25 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7362 Have you seen the latest HD commercial on TV? Pretty funny. It's the one where all the guys are getting rejected and dissed by their dates at the end of the evening, can't even get a good night kiss. Except the final scene, where some gal is getting banged (you can hear her moan) while the Hog is parked out front. Hehehe. So true. Anyways, it's a man thing. If you have to be told you wouldn't understand anyway. I can't wait for the draft to kick in, then noise abatement topics would seem less important. Have you seen the latest HD commercial on TV? Pretty funny. It’s the one where all the guys are getting rejected and dissed by their dates at the end of the evening, can’t even get a good night kiss. Except the final scene, where some gal is getting banged (you can hear her moan) while the Hog is parked out front. Hehehe. So true.

Anyways, it’s a man thing. If you have to be told you wouldn’t understand anyway. I can’t wait for the draft to kick in, then noise abatement topics would seem less important.

]]> By: Eddie http://cultureby.com/2004/09/harleys_hot_car.html/comment-page-1#comment-7361 Eddie Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:45:55 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=1120#comment-7361 My ride is a rather loud salute in empathy for war veterans, law enforcement & firefighters who are often the disfranchised in society but the first to put their lives on the line. They have their own MC clubs, where Harleys are the bike of choice. We didn't mind the noise they made in the battlefields or from the sirens on the streets to save our collective butts. While I wouldn't want to drown in it, transient loudness is just fine with me. My ride is a rather loud salute in empathy for war veterans, law enforcement & firefighters who are often the disfranchised in society but the first to put their lives on the line. They have their own MC clubs, where Harleys are the bike of choice. We didn’t mind the noise they made in the battlefields or from the sirens on the streets to save our collective butts. While I wouldn’t want to drown in it, transient
loudness is just fine with me.

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