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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piers, I am sure that their reaction will be an undying hostility, and that&#039;s only fair.  But then I am not the one they have to worry about.  The real damage will come from the competition and the rise standards of the craft (thanks to the likes of PFSK).  Thanks, Grant
Virginia, I know, I know, what is the point of new language when it actually has the effect of extinguishing meaning?  Surely, one risks ridicule.    Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piers, I am sure that their reaction will be an undying hostility, and that&#8217;s only fair.  But then I am not the one they have to worry about.  The real damage will come from the competition and the rise standards of the craft (thanks to the likes of PFSK).  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Virginia, I know, I know, what is the point of new language when it actually has the effect of extinguishing meaning?  Surely, one risks ridicule.    Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Postrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Postrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out their latest neologism: &quot;twinsumer&quot;
&lt;br /&gt;www.trendwatching.com/newsletter/newsletter.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out their latest neologism: &#8220;twinsumer&#8221;<br />
<br /><a href="http://www.trendwatching.com/newsletter/newsletter.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.trendwatching.com/newsletter/newsletter.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Piers Fawkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piers Fawkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant,
Have you asked the chaps over at TWC what they think of all this - I think that would make an interesting spin on things.
Altho, I see your point I don&#039;t think trend watchers just go out of their way to find new &#039;cool&#039; terms. We get influenced by so much and sometimes we just want to create a meaningful, memorable term. I&#039;ve been using &#039;Hyper User&#039; a lot on PSFK in regards to co-creators, but should I be criticised for being ignorant of Prahalad&#039;s work and creating my own terminology??? Influx - another great blog - are using a differetn term altogether: Creative Customers.
That said, I do think the guys at Trend Watching spend too much time trying to come up with &#039;cool labels&#039; and not enough time with their fingers on the pulse. The more TWC bashing the better ;)
Piers
PSFK
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant,</p>
<p>Have you asked the chaps over at TWC what they think of all this &#8211; I think that would make an interesting spin on things.</p>
<p>Altho, I see your point I don&#8217;t think trend watchers just go out of their way to find new &#8216;cool&#8217; terms. We get influenced by so much and sometimes we just want to create a meaningful, memorable term. I&#8217;ve been using &#8216;Hyper User&#8217; a lot on PSFK in regards to co-creators, but should I be criticised for being ignorant of Prahalad&#8217;s work and creating my own terminology??? Influx &#8211; another great blog &#8211; are using a differetn term altogether: Creative Customers.</p>
<p>That said, I do think the guys at Trend Watching spend too much time trying to come up with &#8216;cool labels&#8217; and not enough time with their fingers on the pulse. The more TWC bashing the better <img src='http://cultureby.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Piers<br />
PSFK</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia, thanks, and indeed, there are so many people playing the naming game that there is now a terrible shortage of snappy terms.  Thanks.  Grant
Rita, yes, terminological enthusiasm is for some marketers I can of product innovation.  &quot;Maybe, I&#039;ll come up with something and everyone will embrace it!&quot;  But in point of fact, the chances of coming up with a &quot;cocooning&quot; are very remote, especially when marketers are filling the heavens with new terms in the hopes that one of the &quot;hits it big.&quot;  It&#039;s a lottery.  And if we did a cold hearted assessment of this little marketplace, I think there is probably no chance that a company like TWC can come up with a Faith Popcorn triumph.  Thanks, Grant
Charu, agreed, language is a commons, no branding allowed, and ditto, the sooner clients turn their noses up at &quot;brand new language&quot; for everything, the better.  Which is to say, the place to start here is in business school, with lectures that warn students against this inclination.  Consultants are nothing if not responsive to client wishes.  All the client needs to say is, &quot;I&#039;m sorry, could i ask you to say that in plainer language.&quot;  So much of business discourse is governed by the &quot;plain style&quot; some of which is I think an outcome of the Protestant revolution.  (At HBS, I was stunned to see that no one used metaphor.  Ever!  Plain style indeed.)  So it has to begin with the client and upstream with the b-school.  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia, thanks, and indeed, there are so many people playing the naming game that there is now a terrible shortage of snappy terms.  Thanks.  Grant</p>
<p>Rita, yes, terminological enthusiasm is for some marketers I can of product innovation.  &#8220;Maybe, I&#8217;ll come up with something and everyone will embrace it!&#8221;  But in point of fact, the chances of coming up with a &#8220;cocooning&#8221; are very remote, especially when marketers are filling the heavens with new terms in the hopes that one of the &#8220;hits it big.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a lottery.  And if we did a cold hearted assessment of this little marketplace, I think there is probably no chance that a company like TWC can come up with a Faith Popcorn triumph.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Charu, agreed, language is a commons, no branding allowed, and ditto, the sooner clients turn their noses up at &#8220;brand new language&#8221; for everything, the better.  Which is to say, the place to start here is in business school, with lectures that warn students against this inclination.  Consultants are nothing if not responsive to client wishes.  All the client needs to say is, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, could i ask you to say that in plainer language.&#8221;  So much of business discourse is governed by the &#8220;plain style&#8221; some of which is I think an outcome of the Protestant revolution.  (At HBS, I was stunned to see that no one used metaphor.  Ever!  Plain style indeed.)  So it has to begin with the client and upstream with the b-school.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Charu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, Grant! Two things here - one is that marketing /communications consultants are forever hunting for &#039;cool&#039; terms - they think half the battle is won once the term is coined - and sometimes I have seen clients who genuinely believe that the fact that the agency / consultant coined a term which sounds just right is indicative of a deep understanding of the subject...
I had written about some absurd marketing terms long ago here - do read it sometime - www.indsight.org/blog/index.php?p=89
and digressing here - about the trend of co-creation, there is a nasty battle going in in India among newspapers with respect to readers&#039; say in the creation of content - and ultimately, most of it seems to be a marketing gimmick - and they are sadly failing even at that... the Times of India for instance now behaves like they invented the term &#039;prosumer&#039; (ugh) and are going to town with it...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, Grant! Two things here &#8211; one is that marketing /communications consultants are forever hunting for &#8216;cool&#8217; terms &#8211; they think half the battle is won once the term is coined &#8211; and sometimes I have seen clients who genuinely believe that the fact that the agency / consultant coined a term which sounds just right is indicative of a deep understanding of the subject&#8230;<br />
I had written about some absurd marketing terms long ago here &#8211; do read it sometime &#8211; <a href="http://www.indsight.org/blog/index.php?p=89" rel="nofollow">http://www.indsight.org/blog/index.php?p=89</a></p>
<p>and digressing here &#8211; about the trend of co-creation, there is a nasty battle going in in India among newspapers with respect to readers&#8217; say in the creation of content &#8211; and ultimately, most of it seems to be a marketing gimmick &#8211; and they are sadly failing even at that&#8230; the Times of India for instance now behaves like they invented the term &#8216;prosumer&#8217; (ugh) and are going to town with it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rita denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>rita denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the space between practice and academic marketing is exemplified by the cwt&#039;s; it is vast. how can this be so? why does it need to be so?
perhaps we should be looking at how neologisms-as-fad (and countless other marketing practices-as-fad) are culturally constituted?  perhaps we need to problematize marketing-as-practice... it&#039;s not terminological confusion, it&#039;s intellectual wasteland for &#039;the new&#039;, &#039;the different&#039; that&#039;s so problematic (and now i&#039;m ranting).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the space between practice and academic marketing is exemplified by the cwt&#8217;s; it is vast. how can this be so? why does it need to be so?</p>
<p>perhaps we should be looking at how neologisms-as-fad (and countless other marketing practices-as-fad) are culturally constituted?  perhaps we need to problematize marketing-as-practice&#8230; it&#8217;s not terminological confusion, it&#8217;s intellectual wasteland for &#8216;the new&#8217;, &#8216;the different&#8217; that&#8217;s so problematic (and now i&#8217;m ranting).</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Postrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Postrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think this example is bad, you should see some of the other neologisms TWC has come up with. Most of them are way too cutsy-poo. At least &quot;Customer Made&quot; is straightforward and you might actually use it. But I bet they make more money from this stuff than I do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think this example is bad, you should see some of the other neologisms TWC has come up with. Most of them are way too cutsy-poo. At least &#8220;Customer Made&#8221; is straightforward and you might actually use it. But I bet they make more money from this stuff than I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob V, great question, sometimes, apparently, the answer is &quot;no.&quot;  And this is the marketers idea of keeping the client barefoot and pregnant.  As long as they believe that you, the consultant invented the idea of CUSTOMER MADE, they are never going to read (or hire) Prahalad.  And, no, I dont think there is a deeper reason.  It&#039;s just that the client has many other, some of them much more pressing, things to worry about.  And I think they have the right to suppose that the consultant is acting in good faith...just as we suppose that doctors of medicine are not inventing diseases or remedies.  Thanks, Grant
Debbie, thanks!  will check brand noise out now.  Best, Grant
Steve, thanks, I hope it is a lack of confidence and not more craven motives.  If every term is indeed a meme that works as an advertiser on behalf of its inventor, the incentive to make up a name is high, and the incentive not to use, in this case, Prahalad&#039;s term, is also high.  I guess people are afraid that the client will say, what are we bothering with TWC when we could hire Prahalad.  But if you are so bad at marketing that you are vulnerable to this reasoning, they probably should be going with Prahalad.  Thanks.  Best, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob V, great question, sometimes, apparently, the answer is &#8220;no.&#8221;  And this is the marketers idea of keeping the client barefoot and pregnant.  As long as they believe that you, the consultant invented the idea of CUSTOMER MADE, they are never going to read (or hire) Prahalad.  And, no, I dont think there is a deeper reason.  It&#8217;s just that the client has many other, some of them much more pressing, things to worry about.  And I think they have the right to suppose that the consultant is acting in good faith&#8230;just as we suppose that doctors of medicine are not inventing diseases or remedies.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Debbie, thanks!  will check brand noise out now.  Best, Grant</p>
<p>Steve, thanks, I hope it is a lack of confidence and not more craven motives.  If every term is indeed a meme that works as an advertiser on behalf of its inventor, the incentive to make up a name is high, and the incentive not to use, in this case, Prahalad&#8217;s term, is also high.  I guess people are afraid that the client will say, what are we bothering with TWC when we could hire Prahalad.  But if you are so bad at marketing that you are vulnerable to this reasoning, they probably should be going with Prahalad.  Thanks.  Best, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Bob V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why do those who employ such marketers let them get away with it?  Are they not able to figure out they are being conned by word games?
Something tells me there has to be a deeper reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why do those who employ such marketers let them get away with it?  Are they not able to figure out they are being conned by word games?</p>
<p>Something tells me there has to be a deeper reason.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie millman</title>
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		<dc:creator>debbie millman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant--more about this here:
brandnoise.typepad.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant&#8211;more about this here:</p>
<p>brandnoise.typepad.com</p>
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