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		<title>By: Steve Dahlberg</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for raising this discussion about our conference – CPSI 2005. This whole ethnographic project, in general, has raised LOTS to talk about - from the name of the program itself (your post above) to the items captured by this team during the conference and how their discoveries will influence our thinking about future CPSI events.
For those readers doing ethnography work related to creativity and learning, I invite you to watch for our call for proposals in the next few months and submit a proposal for a session or program at the 52nd international Creative Problem Solving Institute to be held June 25-30 in Chicago.
Grant’s issue about people using &quot;ethnography&quot; is something that some in the creativity world share about those &quot;doing creativity work.&quot; Some argue that if you haven&#039;t been trained in the master’s program in creative studies in Buffalo, New York, or gone through the leadership program at the Creative Problem Solving Institute (or something similar to these training programs) that you may not be &quot;qualified&quot; to teach/facilitate creativity programs. They might also argue that &quot;simply reading a book about creativity doesn&#039;t qualify you to REALLY teach creativity.&quot; At the other end of the spectrum, having a master’s degree in creativity guarantees nothing, either. So the use of discipline-specific language certainly is a challenge across fields. And at the end of the day, what is delivered, no matter one&#039;s title, is what really matters.
On a related note to this ethnography topic, I recently came into contact with Linda Yaven, a design professor from San Francisco. She is an advocate for the &quot;documentation&quot; process - which is based on the educational approach of Reggio Emilio in Italy. It also uses visual observation (including digital cameras) to gain insight and reflection into individual and group learning processes. It adds another dimension to this overall discussion on ethnography, learning and creativity. For more on Yaven&#039;s work, see:
http://futurehistory.aiga.org/resources/content/2/2/6/8/documents/l_yaven.pdf
and pages 14-15:
http://www.caisca.org/publications/spring2005.pdf
Steve Dahlberg
General Manager
Creative Education Foundation
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for raising this discussion about our conference – CPSI 2005. This whole ethnographic project, in general, has raised LOTS to talk about &#8211; from the name of the program itself (your post above) to the items captured by this team during the conference and how their discoveries will influence our thinking about future CPSI events.</p>
<p>For those readers doing ethnography work related to creativity and learning, I invite you to watch for our call for proposals in the next few months and submit a proposal for a session or program at the 52nd international Creative Problem Solving Institute to be held June 25-30 in Chicago.</p>
<p>Grant’s issue about people using &#8220;ethnography&#8221; is something that some in the creativity world share about those &#8220;doing creativity work.&#8221; Some argue that if you haven&#8217;t been trained in the master’s program in creative studies in Buffalo, New York, or gone through the leadership program at the Creative Problem Solving Institute (or something similar to these training programs) that you may not be &#8220;qualified&#8221; to teach/facilitate creativity programs. They might also argue that &#8220;simply reading a book about creativity doesn&#8217;t qualify you to REALLY teach creativity.&#8221; At the other end of the spectrum, having a master’s degree in creativity guarantees nothing, either. So the use of discipline-specific language certainly is a challenge across fields. And at the end of the day, what is delivered, no matter one&#8217;s title, is what really matters.</p>
<p>On a related note to this ethnography topic, I recently came into contact with Linda Yaven, a design professor from San Francisco. She is an advocate for the &#8220;documentation&#8221; process &#8211; which is based on the educational approach of Reggio Emilio in Italy. It also uses visual observation (including digital cameras) to gain insight and reflection into individual and group learning processes. It adds another dimension to this overall discussion on ethnography, learning and creativity. For more on Yaven&#8217;s work, see:<br />
<a href="http://futurehistory.aiga.org/resources/content/2/2/6/8/documents/l_yaven.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://futurehistory.aiga.org/resources/content/2/2/6/8/documents/l_yaven.pdf</a></p>
<p>and pages 14-15:<br />
<a href="http://www.caisca.org/publications/spring2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.caisca.org/publications/spring2005.pdf</a></p>
<p>Steve Dahlberg<br />
General Manager<br />
Creative Education Foundation</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6183</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
Hah!  Sorry I didn&#039;t mean to undersell your skills there...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Hah!  Sorry I didn&#8217;t mean to undersell your skills there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IdeaFlow</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6185</link>
		<dc:creator>IdeaFlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is this *really* ethnography?&lt;/strong&gt;
A few days ago Grant McCracken blogged about our ethnography project, and used the occasion to register a complaint about our use of the term &quot;ethnography&quot; to describe what we are doing here. His issue is this: &quot;There are lots...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is this *really* ethnography?</strong></p>
<p>A few days ago Grant McCracken blogged about our ethnography project, and used the occasion to register a complaint about our use of the term &#8220;ethnography&#8221; to describe what we are doing here. His issue is this: &#8220;There are lots&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Portigal</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6182</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Portigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pretty nifty&quot; ?! Thanks, Sean - I hope my clients have some more impactful endorsements than that.
Note - I&#039;m teasing Sean and we haven&#039;t worked together anyway.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pretty nifty&#8221; ?! Thanks, Sean &#8211; I hope my clients have some more impactful endorsements than that.</p>
<p>Note &#8211; I&#8217;m teasing Sean and we haven&#8217;t worked together anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6181</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I&#039;m going to have to agree with you there on some part...anthropologists can get a little too preachy and lose sight of any relevance at times.  But sociologists can get be a little heavy handed with the theory at times leaving the business clients scratching their heads.  But I&#039;ve also worked with a few sociologists who do some damn fine ethnographic work.  Not to mystify it even further, but I think it has more to do with the mindset of the ethnographer (call it ethos--their world view, whatever you want), than it does with their actual training.  And so you have folks like Steve who can do some pretty nifty ethnography without the formal training.
As for HCI and ethnography I work in usability research at Staples and I&#039;m anxiously awaiting an opportunity to incorporate ethnography into the usability process.  I have not had a terrible amount of luck yet, but I think it will come around...I hope?  Usability is much more tactical than ethnography so it is often difficult to find a project with a large enough scope that would warrant doing any ethnography.
--Sean
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I&#8217;m going to have to agree with you there on some part&#8230;anthropologists can get a little too preachy and lose sight of any relevance at times.  But sociologists can get be a little heavy handed with the theory at times leaving the business clients scratching their heads.  But I&#8217;ve also worked with a few sociologists who do some damn fine ethnographic work.  Not to mystify it even further, but I think it has more to do with the mindset of the ethnographer (call it ethos&#8211;their world view, whatever you want), than it does with their actual training.  And so you have folks like Steve who can do some pretty nifty ethnography without the formal training.</p>
<p>As for HCI and ethnography I work in usability research at Staples and I&#8217;m anxiously awaiting an opportunity to incorporate ethnography into the usability process.  I have not had a terrible amount of luck yet, but I think it will come around&#8230;I hope?  Usability is much more tactical than ethnography so it is often difficult to find a project with a large enough scope that would warrant doing any ethnography.</p>
<p>&#8211;Sean</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6180</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, thanks for dropping by and your comments.  Sorry for the misspelling of your name.  I will fix now (but leave the evidence of my error!)  Thanks again.  Best, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, thanks for dropping by and your comments.  Sorry for the misspelling of your name.  I will fix now (but leave the evidence of my error!)  Thanks again.  Best, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Hopkins Callahan</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/06/research_and_qu.html/comment-page-1#comment-6179</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee Hopkins Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry -- I ended up posting that twice...that&#039;s what happens when you fire off when you&#039;re irritated. My apologies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8212; I ended up posting that twice&#8230;that&#8217;s what happens when you fire off when you&#8217;re irritated. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Hopkins Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Hopkins Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, thanks for taking notice of our project. Since you&#039;re so concerned about the appearance of correctness, I&#039;ll just point out that you spelled my name wrong on the second reference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, thanks for taking notice of our project. Since you&#8217;re so concerned about the appearance of correctness, I&#8217;ll just point out that you spelled my name wrong on the second reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, thanks for taking notice of our project. Since you&#039;re so concerned about the appearance of correctness while you are using my reports of our project to climb onto your snarky and somewhat unrelated soapbox, I&#039;ll just point out that you spelled my name wrong on the second reference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, thanks for taking notice of our project. Since you&#8217;re so concerned about the appearance of correctness while you are using my reports of our project to climb onto your snarky and somewhat unrelated soapbox, I&#8217;ll just point out that you spelled my name wrong on the second reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting topic.
I don&#039;t call myself an ethnographer (a term that doesn&#039;t mean a thing to my clients in any event), but I do contextual research for IT.  There is a tradition now 25 years old of human computer interaction (HCI) adopting techniques of ethnography and applying them to the domain of computers.
As far as the computer domain is concerned, it takes a while for an anthropologist to get up to speed on computing issues, just as it takes a HCI researcher time to understand contextual issues.
I think one weakness in some HCI ethnography is that is that is so descriptive that one can&#039;t find a story in it.  HCI is not hindered by the theoretical underpinnings of anthropology, which is good and bad.  It is good because most clients aren&#039;t interested in theory, it is bad because theory can help to shape insight.
Personally, I get more theoretical inspiration from sociology than anthropology.  The concept of culture is very difficult for me to pin down on a small scale, ordinary project.  As far as I can understand as an outsider to anthropology, antropologists have trouble agreeing among themselves what culture is.  I have blogged on this issue, and how to make the best of it.
Someone mentioned John Sherry.  I have tried to read his stuff and find it theatrical.  I don&#039;t wish to offend anyone, but I have read many ethnographic accounts by anthropologists that seem mostly concerned with demonstrating how cleaver they are. That&#039;s where theory gets in the way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting topic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t call myself an ethnographer (a term that doesn&#8217;t mean a thing to my clients in any event), but I do contextual research for IT.  There is a tradition now 25 years old of human computer interaction (HCI) adopting techniques of ethnography and applying them to the domain of computers.</p>
<p>As far as the computer domain is concerned, it takes a while for an anthropologist to get up to speed on computing issues, just as it takes a HCI researcher time to understand contextual issues.</p>
<p>I think one weakness in some HCI ethnography is that is that is so descriptive that one can&#8217;t find a story in it.  HCI is not hindered by the theoretical underpinnings of anthropology, which is good and bad.  It is good because most clients aren&#8217;t interested in theory, it is bad because theory can help to shape insight.</p>
<p>Personally, I get more theoretical inspiration from sociology than anthropology.  The concept of culture is very difficult for me to pin down on a small scale, ordinary project.  As far as I can understand as an outsider to anthropology, antropologists have trouble agreeing among themselves what culture is.  I have blogged on this issue, and how to make the best of it.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned John Sherry.  I have tried to read his stuff and find it theatrical.  I don&#8217;t wish to offend anyone, but I have read many ethnographic accounts by anthropologists that seem mostly concerned with demonstrating how cleaver they are. That&#8217;s where theory gets in the way.</p>
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