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		<title>By: Roger Tredre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Tredre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polet&#039;s approach is fascinating. Other companies have tried this before in the fashion world - I recall reporting on Mexx (based in Amsterdam, now owned by Liz Claiborne) back in the 1980s: they brought in McKinsey-trained people and tried to reduce the fashion design process to statistical analysis (it didn&#039;t work).
The danger is that when the emotion and personality gets removed from the design process and it is driven by market research and data, then the final product may be on the button but super-dull.
Re muses: since the late 1990s, the company I work for as ed-in-chief (WGSN) has dominated the (primarily fashion) trends research industry by pushing none of our individuals as muses or gurus but believing that the sheer volume, depth and speed of online research blows that away.
There is an internal debate as to whether we should create a &quot;muse&quot; of our own or keep to Economist-style relative anonymity. Li Edelkoort is usually cited as the classic example of a muse, but I do feel the game has moved on a bit. From a marketing perspective, though, it may make sense to create our own Li.
Brilliant blog, by the way, Grant - I only just discovered it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polet&#8217;s approach is fascinating. Other companies have tried this before in the fashion world &#8211; I recall reporting on Mexx (based in Amsterdam, now owned by Liz Claiborne) back in the 1980s: they brought in McKinsey-trained people and tried to reduce the fashion design process to statistical analysis (it didn&#8217;t work).</p>
<p>The danger is that when the emotion and personality gets removed from the design process and it is driven by market research and data, then the final product may be on the button but super-dull.</p>
<p>Re muses: since the late 1990s, the company I work for as ed-in-chief (WGSN) has dominated the (primarily fashion) trends research industry by pushing none of our individuals as muses or gurus but believing that the sheer volume, depth and speed of online research blows that away.</p>
<p>There is an internal debate as to whether we should create a &#8220;muse&#8221; of our own or keep to Economist-style relative anonymity. Li Edelkoort is usually cited as the classic example of a muse, but I do feel the game has moved on a bit. From a marketing perspective, though, it may make sense to create our own Li.</p>
<p>Brilliant blog, by the way, Grant &#8211; I only just discovered it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Guarriello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Guarriello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, Li Edelkoort&#039;s as close to a muse as anything you&#039;ll find out there today, that&#039;s for sure. Very interesting work, although designers sometimes scratch their heads over her more esoteric elements.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Li Edelkoort&#8217;s as close to a muse as anything you&#8217;ll find out there today, that&#8217;s for sure. Very interesting work, although designers sometimes scratch their heads over her more esoteric elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant,
You mention Faith Popcorn. I think many of the top fashion houses use Li Edelkoort&#039;s Trend Union. Li used to be one of the most influencial people in the fashion world. She predict colors and trends- most of the top houses use or used to use her.
Trend Union&#039;s work can be seen in magazines like View on Color and in the trends presentations they give several times a year.
There are others like her that do the same kind of thing. They combine intuition, creativity with knowledge about what&#039;s happening in culture and society. They are the &quot;researchers&quot; of the fashion world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant,</p>
<p>You mention Faith Popcorn. I think many of the top fashion houses use Li Edelkoort&#8217;s Trend Union. Li used to be one of the most influencial people in the fashion world. She predict colors and trends- most of the top houses use or used to use her.</p>
<p>Trend Union&#8217;s work can be seen in magazines like View on Color and in the trends presentations they give several times a year.</p>
<p>There are others like her that do the same kind of thing. They combine intuition, creativity with knowledge about what&#8217;s happening in culture and society. They are the &#8220;researchers&#8221; of the fashion world.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McB.</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/fashioning_chan.html/comment-page-1#comment-5950</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter McB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason why people cannot say accurately in market research how they will react when a new product hits the streets is that lots of products are what economists call network goods:  goods where the utility received by one consumer depends upon the utility received by others.  The classic example is the fax machine:  being the only person in your business network with a fax is not much use; it only makes sense for you to buy a fax when others you know have one too.
Fashion is clearly also a network good -- almost no one want to wear clothes which other people disparage, so my utility from a particular fashion depends partly on your utility from the same fashion -- and so we all wait to see how others are choosing before we make our own choice. After two decades working as a marketing consultant, I came to the conclusion that ALL products and services have a network-good component:  even so-called commodities such as coal are subject to peer-constrained purchase trends.
As a consequence, new products may suffer a stalemate period, with everyone waiting to see how everyone else in their peer group will decide.  When you take this perspective on new products, it is clear that one crucial function of advertising is to help break the stalemate, by informing potential buyers what their peers (actual or aspired peers) think of the product.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason why people cannot say accurately in market research how they will react when a new product hits the streets is that lots of products are what economists call network goods:  goods where the utility received by one consumer depends upon the utility received by others.  The classic example is the fax machine:  being the only person in your business network with a fax is not much use; it only makes sense for you to buy a fax when others you know have one too.</p>
<p>Fashion is clearly also a network good &#8212; almost no one want to wear clothes which other people disparage, so my utility from a particular fashion depends partly on your utility from the same fashion &#8212; and so we all wait to see how others are choosing before we make our own choice. After two decades working as a marketing consultant, I came to the conclusion that ALL products and services have a network-good component:  even so-called commodities such as coal are subject to peer-constrained purchase trends.</p>
<p>As a consequence, new products may suffer a stalemate period, with everyone waiting to see how everyone else in their peer group will decide.  When you take this perspective on new products, it is clear that one crucial function of advertising is to help break the stalemate, by informing potential buyers what their peers (actual or aspired peers) think of the product.</p>
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		<title>By: dilys</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be true that customers cannot tell you what they will respond to as the next big thing. But on a fairly mundane level they can identify hate-or-love features, and respond to extremely open-ended question sets that will allow further inferences as to various temperamental styles and the tastes/fantasies those imply.
Customers representative of the target market could be engaged for interviews, given time&amp;space to wander and rant, even ethnographically shadowed for days at a time. Is this happening?
The musing of the designer-&quot;muse,&quot; as I see it, is relevant primarily as it meshes with the musings and actions of the target market. Not independently important, except as a study of creativity, etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be true that customers cannot tell you what they will respond to as the next big thing. But on a fairly mundane level they can identify hate-or-love features, and respond to extremely open-ended question sets that will allow further inferences as to various temperamental styles and the tastes/fantasies those imply.</p>
<p>Customers representative of the target market could be engaged for interviews, given time&#038;space to wander and rant, even ethnographically shadowed for days at a time. Is this happening?</p>
<p>The musing of the designer-&#8221;muse,&#8221; as I see it, is relevant primarily as it meshes with the musings and actions of the target market. Not independently important, except as a study of creativity, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Guarriello</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/fashioning_chan.html/comment-page-1#comment-5948</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Guarriello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend most of my time in this world, Grant, and it is a fascinating process in which to be embedded. Headline: muses can articulate some very important aspects of their experience, just not in the kind of language most marketers are comfortable working with.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend most of my time in this world, Grant, and it is a fascinating process in which to be embedded. Headline: muses can articulate some very important aspects of their experience, just not in the kind of language most marketers are comfortable working with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/fashioning_chan.html/comment-page-1#comment-5947</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant,
Sounds to me like an instance of tacit knowledge combined with innate skill. Designers know *what* they do, but cannot articulate *how* they know to do it. I think Michael Polanyi applies here (which would still be interesting research, just not as marketing-valuable as the research you suggest!).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant,</p>
<p>Sounds to me like an instance of tacit knowledge combined with innate skill. Designers know *what* they do, but cannot articulate *how* they know to do it. I think Michael Polanyi applies here (which would still be interesting research, just not as marketing-valuable as the research you suggest!).</p>
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