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	<title>Comments on: learning to live with complexity: marketing vs. OB</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5968</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late to the party here, but I can explain the relatively high academic status of OB relative to marketing: OB is perceived as closer to fundamental human questions and core disciplines (psychology and sociology), while marketing is more an applied, commercial field which borrows from psychology, economics, anthropology, etc., but doesn&#039;t contribute much there. (I should point out that most OB people have nothing to do with HR, which is often a separate group or a little sub-group with its own legalistic and procedural interests. Someone like Jim March would never be caught dead writing about practical HR questions.)
The things marketing studies are seen as ephemeral and practical rather than eternal and fundamental, and hence of less scholarly importance. I don&#039;t think anyone explicitly articulates this distinction, but it pretty much explains the status hierarchy of disciplines at universities.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late to the party here, but I can explain the relatively high academic status of OB relative to marketing: OB is perceived as closer to fundamental human questions and core disciplines (psychology and sociology), while marketing is more an applied, commercial field which borrows from psychology, economics, anthropology, etc., but doesn&#8217;t contribute much there. (I should point out that most OB people have nothing to do with HR, which is often a separate group or a little sub-group with its own legalistic and procedural interests. Someone like Jim March would never be caught dead writing about practical HR questions.)</p>
<p>The things marketing studies are seen as ephemeral and practical rather than eternal and fundamental, and hence of less scholarly importance. I don&#8217;t think anyone explicitly articulates this distinction, but it pretty much explains the status hierarchy of disciplines at universities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Batista</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5967</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clemenceau said, &quot;War is too important to leave to the generals.&quot;  And organizational behavior is clearly too important to leave to the human resources department.
OB outranks Marketing at Stanford, too, in my experience, and I think this contrast with real-world priorities is partially but not fully explained by commenter Irene.  HR departments do little or nothing to to unleash actual human potential through their influence over organizational culture; as Irene notes, they exist to insure that an organization&#039;s culture conforms with legal requirements.
The people who are actually responsible for an organization&#039;s culture (and thus its behavior) are the mid-career leaders making their way into the upper echelons of senior management, and these people come from many different functions depending on the organization--finance, sales, engineering--but they almost never come from HR.
While I was in business school, I attended talks by dozens of grads who had come back to campus to share their experiences with the current crop of students, and almost every one was asked, &quot;What was the most important class you took?&quot;  And almost every one of them said the same thing: 1) their most important class was organizational behavior, 2) but they didn&#039;t take it seriously when they were in school, and 3) they didn&#039;t realize how important it was until they were 10 years into their career.
So there&#039;s reason for hope yet, Grant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clemenceau said, &#8220;War is too important to leave to the generals.&#8221;  And organizational behavior is clearly too important to leave to the human resources department.</p>
<p>OB outranks Marketing at Stanford, too, in my experience, and I think this contrast with real-world priorities is partially but not fully explained by commenter Irene.  HR departments do little or nothing to to unleash actual human potential through their influence over organizational culture; as Irene notes, they exist to insure that an organization&#8217;s culture conforms with legal requirements.</p>
<p>The people who are actually responsible for an organization&#8217;s culture (and thus its behavior) are the mid-career leaders making their way into the upper echelons of senior management, and these people come from many different functions depending on the organization&#8211;finance, sales, engineering&#8211;but they almost never come from HR.</p>
<p>While I was in business school, I attended talks by dozens of grads who had come back to campus to share their experiences with the current crop of students, and almost every one was asked, &#8220;What was the most important class you took?&#8221;  And almost every one of them said the same thing: 1) their most important class was organizational behavior, 2) but they didn&#8217;t take it seriously when they were in school, and 3) they didn&#8217;t realize how important it was until they were 10 years into their career.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s reason for hope yet, Grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5966</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, beauty (a Canadian&#039;s highest term of praise).  Thanks, Grant
Irene, It&#039;s a great point.  We demand equal treatment and then resent the outcome.  And this says the employee has to change just as much of the employer.  Thanks for giving this post new purchase on the real world (not really a way of life for me).  As to story time, thank you very much for asking and I will meet you at the library next friday!  Promise.  Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, beauty (a Canadian&#8217;s highest term of praise).  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Irene, It&#8217;s a great point.  We demand equal treatment and then resent the outcome.  And this says the employee has to change just as much of the employer.  Thanks for giving this post new purchase on the real world (not really a way of life for me).  As to story time, thank you very much for asking and I will meet you at the library next friday!  Promise.  Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5965</link>
		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m out of my depth (a way of life for me, really) but isn&#039;t the one-size-fits-all human resources approach driven in part by legal considerations? If an organization treats the line-dancer differently from me, the muscle car-driving woman, can&#039;t I just turned around and sue their ass for some sort of discrimination? Or is that just another convenient excuse for HR&#039;s lack of imagination? Also: I&#039;m filling out my appointment book for the next few weeks and need to know if story time will return. Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m out of my depth (a way of life for me, really) but isn&#8217;t the one-size-fits-all human resources approach driven in part by legal considerations? If an organization treats the line-dancer differently from me, the muscle car-driving woman, can&#8217;t I just turned around and sue their ass for some sort of discrimination? Or is that just another convenient excuse for HR&#8217;s lack of imagination? Also: I&#8217;m filling out my appointment book for the next few weeks and need to know if story time will return. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5964</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 02:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who recognize that human potential is not centrally defined don&#039;t need a movement. It is thus no surprise that the HP movement is dominated by our ideological enemies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who recognize that human potential is not centrally defined don&#8217;t need a movement. It is thus no surprise that the HP movement is dominated by our ideological enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/the_harvard_bus.html/comment-page-1#comment-5963</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 01:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnO, you are too kind.  Thanks.  Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnO, you are too kind.  Thanks.  Grant</p>
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		<title>By: JohnO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad Kottke put you on the map, you&#039;ll get lots of visitors, and your writing should keep them wanting more :)
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