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		<title>By: Knowledge Problem</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5988</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;BRANDING AND SPECIALIZATION&lt;/strong&gt;
Lynne Kiesling While we&#039;re in a Smithian place here at KP, Grant McCracken&#039;s post on the paucity of strong Canadian brands is comment-provoking. Grant poses Wealth of Nations as a theme (and indeed as the title of the post), so...
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<p>Lynne Kiesling While we&#8217;re in a Smithian place here at KP, Grant McCracken&#8217;s post on the paucity of strong Canadian brands is comment-provoking. Grant poses Wealth of Nations as a theme (and indeed as the title of the post), so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5987</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, thanks very much for that clarification.  I should know that and I am happy you did.  Best, Grant
Ed, I agree there is lots of talent at work in the comments field, and it routinely puts me to shame.  As it turns out, Jim Dingwall is an old Toronto friend of mine and yes I have badgered him more than once to take up blogging.  No luck.  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, thanks very much for that clarification.  I should know that and I am happy you did.  Best, Grant</p>
<p>Ed, I agree there is lots of talent at work in the comments field, and it routinely puts me to shame.  As it turns out, Jim Dingwall is an old Toronto friend of mine and yes I have badgered him more than once to take up blogging.  No luck.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5986</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, as usual, your comment threads are better than most blogs.
Jim Dingwall, why aren&#039;t you blogging?  There should be a URL behind your name, not an email address!
Barry Ritholz, thanks for the props to Reiser.  He was Scottie Pippen to Seinfeld&#039;s Michael Jordan in the &#039;90s, and with smart people like Grant attributing his schtick to (the increasingly self-righteous) Jon Stewart, Reiser&#039;s impending erasure is sadly assured.  Yes, he tended toward the mawkish, and &quot;Mad About You&quot; was ultimately just another sitcom, but he deserves better than elision--hey, even Pippen was damn good.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, as usual, your comment threads are better than most blogs.</p>
<p>Jim Dingwall, why aren&#8217;t you blogging?  There should be a URL behind your name, not an email address!</p>
<p>Barry Ritholz, thanks for the props to Reiser.  He was Scottie Pippen to Seinfeld&#8217;s Michael Jordan in the &#8217;90s, and with smart people like Grant attributing his schtick to (the increasingly self-righteous) Jon Stewart, Reiser&#8217;s impending erasure is sadly assured.  Yes, he tended toward the mawkish, and &#8220;Mad About You&#8221; was ultimately just another sitcom, but he deserves better than elision&#8211;hey, even Pippen was damn good.</p>
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		<title>By: jim linnane</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5985</link>
		<dc:creator>jim linnane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US has imported a lot of comedians and actors from Canada. The comedians don&#039;t do Canadian jokes, and the actors don&#039;t play Canadians.  They have an ability to see America as both insiders and outsiders and to love it and dislike it at the same time.  In other words, the Canadian entertainer who is popular in the US gives us America as it truly is, and depends on not being seen as Canadian.  Wasn&#039;t Bill Shatner&#039;s Captain James T. Kirk of Iowa the perfect American?  The successful Canadian brand would have to have the same attributes.  In the old mass manufacturing economy the NHL was a successful brand because it gave regimented US factory workers an escape into personal violence and graceful artistry.  How is it that Don Cherry, that fan of NHL violence, can be a popular super-patriot for a country that has a world-wide reputation as being a wimp?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has imported a lot of comedians and actors from Canada. The comedians don&#8217;t do Canadian jokes, and the actors don&#8217;t play Canadians.  They have an ability to see America as both insiders and outsiders and to love it and dislike it at the same time.  In other words, the Canadian entertainer who is popular in the US gives us America as it truly is, and depends on not being seen as Canadian.  Wasn&#8217;t Bill Shatner&#8217;s Captain James T. Kirk of Iowa the perfect American?  The successful Canadian brand would have to have the same attributes.  In the old mass manufacturing economy the NHL was a successful brand because it gave regimented US factory workers an escape into personal violence and graceful artistry.  How is it that Don Cherry, that fan of NHL violence, can be a popular super-patriot for a country that has a world-wide reputation as being a wimp?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5984</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not so much,&quot; as far as TV is concerned, was popularized by comedian Paul Reiser in both his stand up and on his show &quot;Mad About You.&quot;
Stewart appropriated Reiser&#039;s verbal tic and made it a hip pop culture reference -- not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that  . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not so much,&#8221; as far as TV is concerned, was popularized by comedian Paul Reiser in both his stand up and on his show &#8220;Mad About You.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stewart appropriated Reiser&#8217;s verbal tic and made it a hip pop culture reference &#8212; not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that  . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dingwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Dingwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant – There are several profitable lines of inquiry on this question.
First, Canadians possess a commodity mindset. It&#039;s genetic. We export a lot of commodities -- rocks, trees, wheat, oil, etc. --but nothing branded except the occasional mad cow. Commodities are bulk goods and by definition anti-brand – they are generic, “no-name” raw materials sold almost exclusively on price and volume– their value-added identity comes much later in the hands of someone else. That’s the Canadian way.
We live in a highly parochial, “made in Canada” culture. Few local brands are designed to travel abroad. Indeed, it’s amazing how many of Canada’s top brands and institutions rely on Canadian references in their corporate names as a basic identity fix. Canadian Tire, Molson’s Canadian and all of our major banks come immediately to mind. In so far as Canada has no notable reputation for manufacturing or service excellence, a Canadian moniker is hardly a unique global selling proposition. So, from a marketing perspective, many of Canada’s high profile brands can’t venture outside of Canada without a name change that pretty well kills their brand identity. For example most Canadian banks go by meaningless acronyms in the United States – BMO/Harris, CIBC World Markets, RBC Financial, and TD Waterhouse.
Interbrand’s top ranking brands possess distinct visual identities. Close your eyes and you can immediately picture the Golden Arches, the Nike swoop, the exact type font and precise blue of IBM, the shape of a Coke bottle and the Coca-Cola script, Disney’s magic mouse and Mercedes’ hood ornament.  Quickly now, pick two of Canada’s top brands -- Tim Horton’s and Canadian Tire -- and try to visualize their logos. I rest my case. A world-renowned brand needs a distinct visual identity and recognition in the marketplace. Unfortunately, Canadians possess a dismal visual sense. Maybe it’s because our lives are dominated by vast unchanging vistas of snow, endless prairie fields of canola and barren grey granite landscapes. We lack the ability to give any Canadian product a dynamic and unique visual identity.
The only successful Canadian brand I can think of in the international marketplace is our beloved national police force: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. How ironic. Canada, the self-styled kinder, gentler nation gets top-of-mind recognition for an armed law enforcement officer in a red tunic and Boy Scout hat. It should come as no surprise that the RCMP sold the rights to use the Mountie image to ......wait for it …..The Disney Corporation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant – There are several profitable lines of inquiry on this question.</p>
<p>First, Canadians possess a commodity mindset. It&#8217;s genetic. We export a lot of commodities &#8212; rocks, trees, wheat, oil, etc. &#8211;but nothing branded except the occasional mad cow. Commodities are bulk goods and by definition anti-brand – they are generic, “no-name” raw materials sold almost exclusively on price and volume– their value-added identity comes much later in the hands of someone else. That’s the Canadian way.</p>
<p>We live in a highly parochial, “made in Canada” culture. Few local brands are designed to travel abroad. Indeed, it’s amazing how many of Canada’s top brands and institutions rely on Canadian references in their corporate names as a basic identity fix. Canadian Tire, Molson’s Canadian and all of our major banks come immediately to mind. In so far as Canada has no notable reputation for manufacturing or service excellence, a Canadian moniker is hardly a unique global selling proposition. So, from a marketing perspective, many of Canada’s high profile brands can’t venture outside of Canada without a name change that pretty well kills their brand identity. For example most Canadian banks go by meaningless acronyms in the United States – BMO/Harris, CIBC World Markets, RBC Financial, and TD Waterhouse.</p>
<p>Interbrand’s top ranking brands possess distinct visual identities. Close your eyes and you can immediately picture the Golden Arches, the Nike swoop, the exact type font and precise blue of IBM, the shape of a Coke bottle and the Coca-Cola script, Disney’s magic mouse and Mercedes’ hood ornament.  Quickly now, pick two of Canada’s top brands &#8212; Tim Horton’s and Canadian Tire &#8212; and try to visualize their logos. I rest my case. A world-renowned brand needs a distinct visual identity and recognition in the marketplace. Unfortunately, Canadians possess a dismal visual sense. Maybe it’s because our lives are dominated by vast unchanging vistas of snow, endless prairie fields of canola and barren grey granite landscapes. We lack the ability to give any Canadian product a dynamic and unique visual identity.</p>
<p>The only successful Canadian brand I can think of in the international marketplace is our beloved national police force: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. How ironic. Canada, the self-styled kinder, gentler nation gets top-of-mind recognition for an armed law enforcement officer in a red tunic and Boy Scout hat. It should come as no surprise that the RCMP sold the rights to use the Mountie image to &#8230;&#8230;wait for it …..The Disney Corporation.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/08/wealth_of_natio.html/comment-page-1#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, a Canadian newspaper once held a competition to find the Canadian equivalent of the phrase:
&quot;As American as motherhood and apple pie.&quot;
The winning entry was:
&quot;As Canadian as  . . . possible, under the circumstances.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, a Canadian newspaper once held a competition to find the Canadian equivalent of the phrase:</p>
<p>&#8220;As American as motherhood and apple pie.&#8221;</p>
<p>The winning entry was:</p>
<p>&#8220;As Canadian as  . . . possible, under the circumstances.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jef</title>
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		<dc:creator>jef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might have something to do with the fact that many canadians work for american companies in canada (or canadian companies owned by american ones), and that many many canadian companies are eventually bought by large american corporations. &#039;Tim horton&#039;s&#039; and &#039;Molson Canadian&#039; are huge brands in Canada (and they pound into us just how canadian they are), now owned by American corporations.  Our &#039;own&#039; brands are not even owned by Canadian corporations.  If any thing ever gets that popular, it&#039;s bound to be bought up by some american behemoth. Doesn&#039;t seem so mysterious t&#039;me.
adriano: sucking on that big american tittie is alright now and again, usually tho it makes one vomit. Must be laced with somthing...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might have something to do with the fact that many canadians work for american companies in canada (or canadian companies owned by american ones), and that many many canadian companies are eventually bought by large american corporations. &#8216;Tim horton&#8217;s&#8217; and &#8216;Molson Canadian&#8217; are huge brands in Canada (and they pound into us just how canadian they are), now owned by American corporations.  Our &#8216;own&#8217; brands are not even owned by Canadian corporations.  If any thing ever gets that popular, it&#8217;s bound to be bought up by some american behemoth. Doesn&#8217;t seem so mysterious t&#8217;me.</p>
<p>adriano: sucking on that big american tittie is alright now and again, usually tho it makes one vomit. Must be laced with somthing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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actually i was thinking about it and maybe canada is best at anti-brands (no logo, adbusters etc) because canadians have a tendency to define themselves in terms of the &#039;other&#039; (ie the US).  would you really not consider &quot;jack&quot; a brand? or &quot;bob&quot; or whatever other names it goes by?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually i was thinking about it and maybe canada is best at anti-brands (no logo, adbusters etc) because canadians have a tendency to define themselves in terms of the &#8216;other&#8217; (ie the US).  would you really not consider &#8220;jack&#8221; a brand? or &#8220;bob&#8221; or whatever other names it goes by?</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, right on the mark, I think.  Thanks, Grant
Adriano, the other way of seeing it, to be sure.&quot;  Thanks, Grant
LK, not quite a brand, but certainly an innovation.  And this would make an interesting investigation on its own.  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, right on the mark, I think.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Adriano, the other way of seeing it, to be sure.&#8221;  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>LK, not quite a brand, but certainly an innovation.  And this would make an interesting investigation on its own.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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