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		<title>By: Quotulatiousness</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;George Bush is a Christian? Who Knew?&lt;/strong&gt;
Grant McCracken has some interesting thoughts on George W. Bush and his most outspoken critics: It&#039;s hard not to notice that no one takes Bush&#039;s Christianity seriously, unless, in my opinion, they take it too seriously. No one seems ever...
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<p>Grant McCracken has some interesting thoughts on George W. Bush and his most outspoken critics: It&#8217;s hard not to notice that no one takes Bush&#8217;s Christianity seriously, unless, in my opinion, they take it too seriously. No one seems ever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Colby Cosh</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/_i_discovered_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-5788</link>
		<dc:creator>Colby Cosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sorry, a buddy of mine just told me that his ex-wife&#039;s sister still hasn&#039;t been found. She lived in New Orleans, and nobody knows if she&#039;s alive or dead.&quot;
Your buddy&#039;s ex-wife&#039;s sister!? Man, that&#039;s got to be a record for &quot;smallest corner on a tragedy ever occupied in an effort to establish one&#039;s deep feeling, personal involvement, and superior perspective.&quot; I would have been more impressed if you&#039;d worked your cleaning lady or your second cousin into the chain somehow, but my hat&#039;s still off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sorry, a buddy of mine just told me that his ex-wife&#8217;s sister still hasn&#8217;t been found. She lived in New Orleans, and nobody knows if she&#8217;s alive or dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your buddy&#8217;s ex-wife&#8217;s sister!? Man, that&#8217;s got to be a record for &#8220;smallest corner on a tragedy ever occupied in an effort to establish one&#8217;s deep feeling, personal involvement, and superior perspective.&#8221; I would have been more impressed if you&#8217;d worked your cleaning lady or your second cousin into the chain somehow, but my hat&#8217;s still off.</p>
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		<title>By: mgl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot imagine a better illustration of Grant&#039;s thesis than this comments thread.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very confused by Grant&#039;s piece. It really didn&#039;t add up at all. All these meandering meditations about the christian faith of a man based on some random photo op quote? The selfless President? You mean the one who takes all the vacations? The one who bombs innocent people in Iraq? The one who, amid record deficits, is working to repeal the estate tax for the rich? Wha? Huh? Um...Wha? Then I read a post from earlier in the week, (&quot;Who owns the future of marketing&quot;) and I learned that Grant has recently undergone surgery and is currently on drugs. Oh. Okay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very confused by Grant&#8217;s piece. It really didn&#8217;t add up at all. All these meandering meditations about the christian faith of a man based on some random photo op quote? The selfless President? You mean the one who takes all the vacations? The one who bombs innocent people in Iraq? The one who, amid record deficits, is working to repeal the estate tax for the rich? Wha? Huh? Um&#8230;Wha? Then I read a post from earlier in the week, (&#8220;Who owns the future of marketing&#8221;) and I learned that Grant has recently undergone surgery and is currently on drugs. Oh. Okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Barlow</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/_i_discovered_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-5785</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very confused by Grant&#039;s piece. It really didn&#039;t add up at all. All these meandering meditations about the christian faith of a man based on some random photo op quote? The selfless President? You mean the one who takes all the vacations? The one who bombs innocent people in Iraq? The one who, amid record deficits, is working to repeal the estate tax for the rich? Wha? Huh? Um...Wha? Then I read a post from earlier in the week, (&quot;Who owns the future of marketing&quot;) and I learned that Grant has recently undergone surgery and is currently on drugs. Oh. Okay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very confused by Grant&#8217;s piece. It really didn&#8217;t add up at all. All these meandering meditations about the christian faith of a man based on some random photo op quote? The selfless President? You mean the one who takes all the vacations? The one who bombs innocent people in Iraq? The one who, amid record deficits, is working to repeal the estate tax for the rich? Wha? Huh? Um&#8230;Wha? Then I read a post from earlier in the week, (&#8220;Who owns the future of marketing&#8221;) and I learned that Grant has recently undergone surgery and is currently on drugs. Oh. Okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/_i_discovered_t.html/comment-page-1#comment-5784</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just one last thing: if the man is truly a &#039;proper Christian&#039; with regular church going and listening to sermons and all that, wouldn&#039;t we have seen it live on Fox by now?&lt;/i&gt;
My own observation is that Fox News is not as jingoistic as it&#039;s detractors make out, and that they cover important news that others (in the US) do not.
Again, my own observation, and I am not an avid consumer of television news.  Note I am not talking about the &#039;talking head&#039; shows but the actual news - something I think gets confused in the public mind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just one last thing: if the man is truly a &#8216;proper Christian&#8217; with regular church going and listening to sermons and all that, wouldn&#8217;t we have seen it live on Fox by now?</i></p>
<p>My own observation is that Fox News is not as jingoistic as it&#8217;s detractors make out, and that they cover important news that others (in the US) do not.</p>
<p>Again, my own observation, and I am not an avid consumer of television news.  Note I am not talking about the &#8216;talking head&#8217; shows but the actual news &#8211; something I think gets confused in the public mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I very much enjoyed reading the last comment by Tom Guarriello: it&#039;s great to see how regardless your beliefs such ancient and yet simple words can still ring so true.
I&#039;d just wish more people would realise that and quit their language of antagonism and fear...
More to the point: when I saw this post pop up in my Bloglines account, and had read it a few times, in order to let it sink in, I had 2 &#039;instant&#039; reactions:
1) Grant will get a loooot of comments on this one, and:
2) Very interesting attempt to try and flip the coin for once, as yes, we are, as Brian puts it, &#039;blinded&#039; by &#039;propaganda&#039; (whatever the political colour)).
On the other hand, what else (more precisely, what better?) can we base our opinion on than our own observations? (as much as that observation can be fooled: i.e. PR/Marketing/spin doctors etc etc, but I don&#039;t want to start splitting hairs)
As one commenter puts it &#039;I don&#039;t see any evidence to the contrary&#039;, which in my opinion can be used for either &#039;side&#039; of the discussion, as noble as Grants&#039; attempt is to try and cut through the coloured info we are getting.
I&#039;ll be frank, I think Dubbya and his office are a bunch of fear- and warmongering bunch of idiots with no idea of the complexity of their own society, thus totally incapable of understanding any other way of thinking then their own (which incidentally many/most/all people do, in order to keep their perceived and constructed social reality intact, but that is (perhaps) another story again, or maybe actually underlining the point of todays post).
For that reason I was struck by one paragraph in Grant&#039;s post in particular:
&quot;He/she accepts that people will behave badly at his/her expense and the expense of his/her presidency. The leader might engage in a blame game, but, really, what would that accomplish? A leader &quot;takes the hit&quot; and moves on to solve the problem.&quot;
Yes, in itself a just observation, for any good and proper leader, whatever his/her background and job, but I can hardly imagine such enlightened pragamatism here, underlining what Tom said: &quot;I continue to question the depth of his thinking in general&quot;
How else could he react anyway, in an internal affair, where (unfortunately) many of those that got hit never had the feeling they were within his attention span, and thus were lead to believe that the failures to lead were intentional?
Bomb it? That would preposterous. In an internal affair like this he and his office could never permit themselves reacting like they have done in any external affair over the last 5 years...
On the other hand, to avoid burning the guy completely to the ground and comfirm my &#039;blindness&#039;: I can imagine his reaction to the mayor&#039;s outburst being honest and real.
He got it straight, and perhaps he enjoyed finally hearing somebody giving it straight, instead of wrapped up in politicians&#039; babble? Perhaps he&#039;d like more people like that, considering his carefully built up image of his &quot;take charge, Texan&quot; ways.
Perhaps it was some sort of eyeopener?
Sorry for my rambling, I realise that perhaps I have underlined Grants&#039; point of interpretative analysis before actual factual analysis. It&#039;s a complex issue, with many thoughts and webs of association competing for attention.
Just one last thing: if the man is truly a &#039;proper Christian&#039; with regular church going and listening to sermons and all that, wouldn&#039;t we have seen it live on Fox by now? (and reading thorugh the comments, I see the answer already!)
(Or, to twist in another way again, isn&#039;t it possible to be up close and personal with such a man of power? Not that it is completely comparable, but I can walk up to the crown prince here in Denmark in a night club, without getting beaten up by some goons and I can be on my bike next to the Minister of Finance on his bike, both waiting for the light to turn green. Just curious!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I very much enjoyed reading the last comment by Tom Guarriello: it&#8217;s great to see how regardless your beliefs such ancient and yet simple words can still ring so true.<br />
I&#8217;d just wish more people would realise that and quit their language of antagonism and fear&#8230;</p>
<p>More to the point: when I saw this post pop up in my Bloglines account, and had read it a few times, in order to let it sink in, I had 2 &#8216;instant&#8217; reactions:<br />
1) Grant will get a loooot of comments on this one, and:<br />
2) Very interesting attempt to try and flip the coin for once, as yes, we are, as Brian puts it, &#8216;blinded&#8217; by &#8216;propaganda&#8217; (whatever the political colour)).<br />
On the other hand, what else (more precisely, what better?) can we base our opinion on than our own observations? (as much as that observation can be fooled: i.e. PR/Marketing/spin doctors etc etc, but I don&#8217;t want to start splitting hairs)</p>
<p>As one commenter puts it &#8216;I don&#8217;t see any evidence to the contrary&#8217;, which in my opinion can be used for either &#8216;side&#8217; of the discussion, as noble as Grants&#8217; attempt is to try and cut through the coloured info we are getting.<br />
I&#8217;ll be frank, I think Dubbya and his office are a bunch of fear- and warmongering bunch of idiots with no idea of the complexity of their own society, thus totally incapable of understanding any other way of thinking then their own (which incidentally many/most/all people do, in order to keep their perceived and constructed social reality intact, but that is (perhaps) another story again, or maybe actually underlining the point of todays post).</p>
<p>For that reason I was struck by one paragraph in Grant&#8217;s post in particular:<br />
&#8220;He/she accepts that people will behave badly at his/her expense and the expense of his/her presidency. The leader might engage in a blame game, but, really, what would that accomplish? A leader &#8220;takes the hit&#8221; and moves on to solve the problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, in itself a just observation, for any good and proper leader, whatever his/her background and job, but I can hardly imagine such enlightened pragamatism here, underlining what Tom said: &#8220;I continue to question the depth of his thinking in general&#8221;</p>
<p>How else could he react anyway, in an internal affair, where (unfortunately) many of those that got hit never had the feeling they were within his attention span, and thus were lead to believe that the failures to lead were intentional?<br />
Bomb it? That would preposterous. In an internal affair like this he and his office could never permit themselves reacting like they have done in any external affair over the last 5 years&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, to avoid burning the guy completely to the ground and comfirm my &#8216;blindness&#8217;: I can imagine his reaction to the mayor&#8217;s outburst being honest and real.<br />
He got it straight, and perhaps he enjoyed finally hearing somebody giving it straight, instead of wrapped up in politicians&#8217; babble? Perhaps he&#8217;d like more people like that, considering his carefully built up image of his &#8220;take charge, Texan&#8221; ways.<br />
Perhaps it was some sort of eyeopener?</p>
<p>Sorry for my rambling, I realise that perhaps I have underlined Grants&#8217; point of interpretative analysis before actual factual analysis. It&#8217;s a complex issue, with many thoughts and webs of association competing for attention.</p>
<p>Just one last thing: if the man is truly a &#8216;proper Christian&#8217; with regular church going and listening to sermons and all that, wouldn&#8217;t we have seen it live on Fox by now? (and reading thorugh the comments, I see the answer already!)<br />
(Or, to twist in another way again, isn&#8217;t it possible to be up close and personal with such a man of power? Not that it is completely comparable, but I can walk up to the crown prince here in Denmark in a night club, without getting beaten up by some goons and I can be on my bike next to the Minister of Finance on his bike, both waiting for the light to turn green. Just curious!)</p>
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		<title>By: Quotulatiousness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quotulatiousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;George Bush is a Christian? Who Knew?&lt;/strong&gt;
Grant McCracken has some interesting thoughts on George W. Bush and his most outspoken critics: It&#039;s hard not to notice that no one takes Bush&#039;s Christianity seriously, unless, in my opinion, they take it too seriously. No one seems ever...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>George Bush is a Christian? Who Knew?</strong></p>
<p>Grant McCracken has some interesting thoughts on George W. Bush and his most outspoken critics: It&#8217;s hard not to notice that no one takes Bush&#8217;s Christianity seriously, unless, in my opinion, they take it too seriously. No one seems ever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Guarriello</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard an interesting comment the other night that struck me as germane. Someone said that many of today&#039;s most overtly Christian leaders seem to embrace Old Testament more strongly than New Testament sentiments, particularly, the Beatitudes:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land.
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice&#039; sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Powerful sentiments, regardless of one&#039;s religious beliefs.
In my earlier comments I didn&#039;t mean to question the sincerity of the president&#039;s religious faith, only his depth. In that regard, I continue to question the depth of his thinking in general.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard an interesting comment the other night that struck me as germane. Someone said that many of today&#8217;s most overtly Christian leaders seem to embrace Old Testament more strongly than New Testament sentiments, particularly, the Beatitudes:</p>
<p>Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.<br />
Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land.<br />
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted.<br />
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.<br />
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.<br />
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.<br />
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.<br />
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice&#8217; sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.</p>
<p>Powerful sentiments, regardless of one&#8217;s religious beliefs.</p>
<p>In my earlier comments I didn&#8217;t mean to question the sincerity of the president&#8217;s religious faith, only his depth. In that regard, I continue to question the depth of his thinking in general.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over time, I have come to believe that Bush is a sincere Christian. But, I believe that he, like the vast majority of sincere Christians, does not believe in turning the other cheek, etc.
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