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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5727</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also not sure I&#039;d put Swimming with the Sharks in an E.D. Hirsch-style cultural literacy reference manual. Nobody saw it--it was one of those inside-Hollywood pictures that critics love and the public ignores in droves. I didn&#039;t see it, but I did see the review on Siskel and Ebert--does that count?
I always thought part of plenitude was that common references of all sorts were breaking down as the culture fragmented. A guy like Dennis Miller used to make a good living by concatenating huge strings of references of which any particular auditor would know only a fraction. Part of the humor was laughing even when you didn&#039;t get it because Miller&#039;s delivery convinced you that if you had known the reference you&#039;d have found it hilarious. I think we&#039;re all in for a long spell of having to be Dennis Miller if we want to exploit references of any kind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also not sure I&#8217;d put Swimming with the Sharks in an E.D. Hirsch-style cultural literacy reference manual. Nobody saw it&#8211;it was one of those inside-Hollywood pictures that critics love and the public ignores in droves. I didn&#8217;t see it, but I did see the review on Siskel and Ebert&#8211;does that count?</p>
<p>I always thought part of plenitude was that common references of all sorts were breaking down as the culture fragmented. A guy like Dennis Miller used to make a good living by concatenating huge strings of references of which any particular auditor would know only a fraction. Part of the humor was laughing even when you didn&#8217;t get it because Miller&#8217;s delivery convinced you that if you had known the reference you&#8217;d have found it hilarious. I think we&#8217;re all in for a long spell of having to be Dennis Miller if we want to exploit references of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5726</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were a literary twit (like myself), you&#039;d probably know better than to lament this lack of cultural literacy. We are all used to nobody knowing anything about a literary or cultural reference. Its just unrealistic to expect this sort of shared literacy anymore.
I read books and watch films all the time, and often when I make references, they have to be oblique in order not to alienate the person who hasn&#039;t read it. (BTW, I haven&#039;t seen Swimming with Sharks!).
When we start talking about cultural currency and reference points, we end up pointing to works by big media companies, big monstrous mediocrities that they are.  Sorry to say that the shared cultural reference points are whatever Time-Warner or Viacom are pushing at the moment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were a literary twit (like myself), you&#8217;d probably know better than to lament this lack of cultural literacy. We are all used to nobody knowing anything about a literary or cultural reference. Its just unrealistic to expect this sort of shared literacy anymore.</p>
<p>I read books and watch films all the time, and often when I make references, they have to be oblique in order not to alienate the person who hasn&#8217;t read it. (BTW, I haven&#8217;t seen Swimming with Sharks!).</p>
<p>When we start talking about cultural currency and reference points, we end up pointing to works by big media companies, big monstrous mediocrities that they are.  Sorry to say that the shared cultural reference points are whatever Time-Warner or Viacom are pushing at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kelber</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5725</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kelber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The omission of a reference to Swimming with Sharks was particularly frustrating given (1) that the film&#039;s main character is reportedly based on Scott Rudin; and (2) this line in the wsj piece:
&quot;The prize for surviving Mr. Rudin&#039;s hazing is a first-hand education in being a Hollywood shark.&quot;
Maybe Mr. Rudin objected to the reference, and the writers tried to be subtle?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The omission of a reference to Swimming with Sharks was particularly frustrating given (1) that the film&#8217;s main character is reportedly based on Scott Rudin; and (2) this line in the wsj piece:<br />
&#8220;The prize for surviving Mr. Rudin&#8217;s hazing is a first-hand education in being a Hollywood shark.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Mr. Rudin objected to the reference, and the writers tried to be subtle?</p>
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		<title>By: Aldon Hynes</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5724</link>
		<dc:creator>Aldon Hynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random associations:  As I read your blog entry, I thought about two things:  Given &#039;that movies are the lingua franca of our culture&#039;, or perhaps more correctly, images, I wondered if the Wall Street Journal Weekend Edition has already jumped the shark that others are busy swimming with.  I also observed that everything here is text, instead of images, so I thought I would end with:
http://www.mashby.com/images/posts/jump_the_shark.gif
(I would have embedded it as an image, but that appears not to be allowed.)
P.S.  As I write this, I note an email from Syndic8:
We&#039;ve got a cool new feature on Syndic8. You can now upload a picture of your choice to your account, and it will be displayed in various places on the site.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random associations:  As I read your blog entry, I thought about two things:  Given &#8216;that movies are the lingua franca of our culture&#8217;, or perhaps more correctly, images, I wondered if the Wall Street Journal Weekend Edition has already jumped the shark that others are busy swimming with.  I also observed that everything here is text, instead of images, so I thought I would end with:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mashby.com/images/posts/jump_the_shark.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.mashby.com/images/posts/jump_the_shark.gif</a></p>
<p>(I would have embedded it as an image, but that appears not to be allowed.)</p>
<p>P.S.  As I write this, I note an email from Syndic8:</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a cool new feature on Syndic8. You can now upload a picture of your choice to your account, and it will be displayed in various places on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5723</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, hah, the English are stealing a march on the matter of cultural illiteracy.  On the other hand, the film may appear to the British suspicion that American capitalism is a dangerous thing.  Thanks, Grant
Peter, This could be so, but my inclination is to think that the po mo model is an add-on one.  New modalities, cultural or otherwise, don&#039;t so much supplant the old as join it, giving us, in the process, a new multiplicity of option and strange new interactions to boot.  But that&#039;s just me.  The Cambridge reference is a fascinating one.  Thanks, Grant
Conchis, thanks for the clear thinking and the polling.  Apparently, I misunderstand this film&#039;s influence.  Best, Grant
p.s., I wish there were some measure for this sort of thing.  Imdbpro gives the box office numbers which were small.  But this would be true probably for everything done by Jarmusch and Linklater.  It would be great NetFlix or Blockbuster would release their rental numbers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, hah, the English are stealing a march on the matter of cultural illiteracy.  On the other hand, the film may appear to the British suspicion that American capitalism is a dangerous thing.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Peter, This could be so, but my inclination is to think that the po mo model is an add-on one.  New modalities, cultural or otherwise, don&#8217;t so much supplant the old as join it, giving us, in the process, a new multiplicity of option and strange new interactions to boot.  But that&#8217;s just me.  The Cambridge reference is a fascinating one.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Conchis, thanks for the clear thinking and the polling.  Apparently, I misunderstand this film&#8217;s influence.  Best, Grant<br />
p.s., I wish there were some measure for this sort of thing.  Imdbpro gives the box office numbers which were small.  But this would be true probably for everything done by Jarmusch and Linklater.  It would be great NetFlix or Blockbuster would release their rental numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: conchis</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5722</link>
		<dc:creator>conchis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is possible that Kelly and Marr haven&#039;t heard of Swimming with sharks.  But if they are under 35, this is improbable.&quot;
Well, if they&#039;re under 27-28, then they would have been too young to see it when it came out, and could easily have passed them by. Quick straw poll of my friends around this age group suggests that I&#039;m far from the only one who had never heard of the movie.
None of which is to deny the main point however...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is possible that Kelly and Marr haven&#8217;t heard of Swimming with sharks.  But if they are under 35, this is improbable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if they&#8217;re under 27-28, then they would have been too young to see it when it came out, and could easily have passed them by. Quick straw poll of my friends around this age group suggests that I&#8217;m far from the only one who had never heard of the movie.</p>
<p>None of which is to deny the main point however&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McB.</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5721</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter McB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant --
I believe we are at the cusp of a change in the artefactual focus of western culture from text to image. For 250 years, our entire culture and education system has been designed around text, its consumption (reading) and production (writing), with written words favoured in our culture over spoken, words favoured over images, documents favoured over performances, and persistent artefacts favoured over ephemera.  (e.g., how many libraries of advertisements do you know of?)
As you say, this change is due to the rise of movies and TV - and computer games - and the development of a literacy and numeracy of image in the young.  (We even have no word, equivalent to &quot;literacy&quot; or &quot;numeracy&quot;, to describe an ability to parse and manipulate images.) One manifestation of this change (and a very good one, IMHO) is the adoption of graphical user interfaces and graphical programming languages at the expense of command-line interfaces (such as DOS) and languages in computing.
I trace the start of the dominance of text in our culture to the mid-18th century, when Cambridge University switched from oral examinations to written ones for the Mathematics Tripos, a difficult exam which was compulsory for all graduates of Cambridge until 1909.   This switch was undertaken despite fierce opposition from faculty who argued that written exams could not adequately test a student&#039;s knowledge of math, since all students would receive the same questions.  Russia, no slouch at producing great mathematicians, still tests university mathematics orally.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant &#8211;</p>
<p>I believe we are at the cusp of a change in the artefactual focus of western culture from text to image. For 250 years, our entire culture and education system has been designed around text, its consumption (reading) and production (writing), with written words favoured in our culture over spoken, words favoured over images, documents favoured over performances, and persistent artefacts favoured over ephemera.  (e.g., how many libraries of advertisements do you know of?)</p>
<p>As you say, this change is due to the rise of movies and TV &#8211; and computer games &#8211; and the development of a literacy and numeracy of image in the young.  (We even have no word, equivalent to &#8220;literacy&#8221; or &#8220;numeracy&#8221;, to describe an ability to parse and manipulate images.) One manifestation of this change (and a very good one, IMHO) is the adoption of graphical user interfaces and graphical programming languages at the expense of command-line interfaces (such as DOS) and languages in computing.</p>
<p>I trace the start of the dominance of text in our culture to the mid-18th century, when Cambridge University switched from oral examinations to written ones for the Mathematics Tripos, a difficult exam which was compulsory for all graduates of Cambridge until 1909.   This switch was undertaken despite fierce opposition from faculty who argued that written exams could not adequately test a student&#8217;s knowledge of math, since all students would receive the same questions.  Russia, no slouch at producing great mathematicians, still tests university mathematics orally.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McB.</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2005/09/cultural_illite.html/comment-page-1#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter McB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether due to a deep-rooted, trans-Atlantic conspiracy between the WSJ and Tony O&#039;Reilly (ex-Heinz CEO and now newspaper magnate) or synchronicity or just a coincidence, last Saturday&#039;s edition of the UK dewspaper, &quot;The Independent&quot;, gave away a free DVD of &lt;I&gt;Swimming with Sharks&lt;/I&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether due to a deep-rooted, trans-Atlantic conspiracy between the WSJ and Tony O&#8217;Reilly (ex-Heinz CEO and now newspaper magnate) or synchronicity or just a coincidence, last Saturday&#8217;s edition of the UK dewspaper, &#8220;The Independent&#8221;, gave away a free DVD of <i>Swimming with Sharks</i>.</p>
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