Comments on: Bloggers vs. the old media (are they panicking yet?) http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:33:19 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Candy Minx http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4401 Candy Minx Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:07:57 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4401 <p>Overworm, I fully support your plan to have a chia pet roof when you purchase Iabuilding. I dream of a world where all the buildings have food growing on them, and we see a shift away from totalitarian agriculture. Happy house hunting. And thank you for asking me a question. The main reason for eggs and vitirol being thrown at those of us waiting outside the courroom for a serial killer trial was that a general impression, supported by news stories, was that we in the line up were like the women who wrote Ted Bundy love letters, or we worshipped/glorified serial killers, or we were some kind of ghouls. We were monsters because we were going to see monsters. The trial drew so many people that the public was sleeping outside, we ordered pizza to the line up and sared day care. It was an incredible band of folks in the line up and it surrpised even me to meet so many kindred spirits concerned with the trial. There were no press credentials required for going to a public trial. At least not back then, I wonder if this has changed...? I thought a major facet of justice was allowing and even encouraging the public to attend proceedings..but I am a bit of a Pollyanna ok a huge Pollyanna so I may be living in Candydreamland about our justice system in Canada. That would be the same justice system that can't seem to throw out Holmolkas plea bargain, heh heh. </p> <p>Its funny about blogs, and their appearance to and often actual challenge to past methods of communicating. Short of the folks who write letters to newspapers and hope to see them published, blogs offer so much more to people who love to visit. and really, I think thats what blogs are about more than anything. Visiting and sharing. More than carreer correct news sources, people like anecdotal evidence. People like gathering evidence themselves by comparing each others stories. Its actually healthier to the species that we gather and suspect and challenge where we think and hear things. Money and stature can not replace the pleasure of visiting and thinking foroneself and with each other. I remeber the first time I noticed that rich people had everything, but they needed people like me. You can have all the money in the world but if you don't have a funny buddy or madcap eccentric thinker and someone to screw the pooch with...what good is money? Heh heh.</p> <p>Blogs are someone to screw the pooch with. And a great big high school place where the smokers and cool people hang out. For now anyways. We always keep moving...keeping it fresh, heh heh.</p> Overworm, I fully support your plan to have a chia pet roof when you purchase Iabuilding. I dream of a world where all the buildings have food growing on them, and we see a shift away from totalitarian agriculture. Happy house hunting. And thank you for asking me a question. The main reason for eggs and vitirol being thrown at those of us waiting outside the courroom for a serial killer trial was that a general impression, supported by news stories, was that we in the line up were like the women who wrote Ted Bundy love letters, or we worshipped/glorified serial killers, or we were some kind of ghouls. We were monsters because we were going to see monsters. The trial drew so many people that the public was sleeping outside, we ordered pizza to the line up and sared day care. It was an incredible band of folks in the line up and it surrpised even me to meet so many kindred spirits concerned with the trial. There were no press credentials required for going to a public trial. At least not back then, I wonder if this has changed…? I thought a major facet of justice was allowing and even encouraging the public to attend proceedings..but I am a bit of a Pollyanna ok a huge Pollyanna so I may be living in Candydreamland about our justice system in Canada. That would be the same justice system that can't seem to throw out Holmolkas plea bargain, heh heh.

Its funny about blogs, and their appearance to and often actual challenge to past methods of communicating. Short of the folks who write letters to newspapers and hope to see them published, blogs offer so much more to people who love to visit. and really, I think thats what blogs are about more than anything. Visiting and sharing. More than carreer correct news sources, people like anecdotal evidence. People like gathering evidence themselves by comparing each others stories. Its actually healthier to the species that we gather and suspect and challenge where we think and hear things. Money and stature can not replace the pleasure of visiting and thinking foroneself and with each other. I remeber the first time I noticed that rich people had everything, but they needed people like me. You can have all the money in the world but if you don't have a funny buddy or madcap eccentric thinker and someone to screw the pooch with…what good is money? Heh heh.

Blogs are someone to screw the pooch with. And a great big high school place where the smokers and cool people hang out. For now anyways. We always keep moving…keeping it fresh, heh heh.

]]> By: Grant http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4400 Grant Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:43:55 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4400 <p>Tom, [whistle] Piling on! Thanks, Grant</p> <p>Candy, superb addition, thanks! Grant</p> <p>Brad, Steve's astute remarks came to this blog as a comment on the post for Thursday. Thanks, Grant</p> <p>Overworm, it's a fair point, and hubris is an easy error to fall into. And, I agree, it is hard to imagine that lots of bloggers could bring down an institution as majestic as the NYT. But this is I think the disintermediating effect of lots of smart people with blogs. If we think of all the things that the NYT is, it's hard to see that any of them are proprietary or not duplicable. Anyhow, hubris, c'est nous. Thanks, Grant</p> <p>Graham, beauty, I was thinking about Kubler Ross as I was scribbling this. But I didn't see how beautifully it would work. Thanks for the illumination! Best, Grant</p> <p>fouro, white shoe media! damn, why didn't i think of that, perfect, thank you. Grant</p> Tom, [whistle] Piling on! Thanks, Grant

Candy, superb addition, thanks! Grant

Brad, Steve's astute remarks came to this blog as a comment on the post for Thursday. Thanks, Grant

Overworm, it's a fair point, and hubris is an easy error to fall into. And, I agree, it is hard to imagine that lots of bloggers could bring down an institution as majestic as the NYT. But this is I think the disintermediating effect of lots of smart people with blogs. If we think of all the things that the NYT is, it's hard to see that any of them are proprietary or not duplicable. Anyhow, hubris, c'est nous. Thanks, Grant

Graham, beauty, I was thinking about Kubler Ross as I was scribbling this. But I didn't see how beautifully it would work. Thanks for the illumination! Best, Grant

fouro, white shoe media! damn, why didn't i think of that, perfect, thank you. Grant

]]> By: fouro http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4399 fouro Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:32:41 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4399 <p>Nice Post, and Graham, Kubler-Ross was leaping to mind for me too. Another lady, perhaps not so astute, is WaPo ombudsman Debra Howell--an object lesson in rolling denial and vituperation. The lovely thing about transparency, whether derived from Aldus Manutius or Brad Delong (see Howell link below) is how inexorably it marches forward aflicting the comfortable.</p> <p>Delong tackles the fact-challenged white shoe media: <a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/23/12534/0111" rel="nofollow">http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/23/12534/0111</a></p> <p> </p> Nice Post, and Graham, Kubler-Ross was leaping to mind for me too. Another lady, perhaps not so astute, is WaPo ombudsman Debra Howell–an object lesson in rolling denial and vituperation. The lovely thing about transparency, whether derived from Aldus Manutius or Brad Delong (see Howell link below) is how inexorably it marches forward aflicting the comfortable.

Delong tackles the fact-challenged white shoe media: http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/23/12534/0111

]]> By: Graham Hill http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4398 Graham Hill Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:12:43 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4398 <p>Grant</p> <p>Your change curve is similar to the Elizabeth Kubler-Ross Transition Curve in widespread use amongst change managers.</p> <p>The whole transition is:<br /> 1. Shock - at the new situation<br /> 2. Denial - that anything is changing at all <br /> 3. Emotion, particularly Fear - that things have changed<br /> 4a. Acceptance - of the new status quo OR<br /> 4b. Rejection - and with it the risk of irrelevence as the world moves on<br /> 5. Testing - how the new world works<br /> 6. Search for Meaning - of what lies behind the new world<br /> 7. Integration - of the new world into how daily business is done.</p> <p>You can see the rough mapping of your change curve to the earlier stages of the Kubler-Ross curve and also that your curve seems to stop roughly at the Kubler-Ross Emotion (Fear) stage.</p> <p>It is likely that most traditional media organisations will eventually accept what John Moore at Brand Autopsy called "Wedia" in a recent presentaion, and just get on with the job of testing it and incorporating what works into the new world of media. </p> <p>As you point out, it is going to be an angst-filled transition for many.</p> <p>The irony of all this is that Elizabeth Kubler-Ross' book that described the transition curve was entitled "On Death & Dying"!</p> <p>Graham Hill<br /> Independent Management Consultant</p> Grant

Your change curve is similar to the Elizabeth Kubler-Ross Transition Curve in widespread use amongst change managers.

The whole transition is:
1. Shock – at the new situation
2. Denial – that anything is changing at all
3. Emotion, particularly Fear – that things have changed
4a. Acceptance – of the new status quo OR
4b. Rejection – and with it the risk of irrelevence as the world moves on
5. Testing – how the new world works
6. Search for Meaning – of what lies behind the new world
7. Integration – of the new world into how daily business is done.

You can see the rough mapping of your change curve to the earlier stages of the Kubler-Ross curve and also that your curve seems to stop roughly at the Kubler-Ross Emotion (Fear) stage.

It is likely that most traditional media organisations will eventually accept what John Moore at Brand Autopsy called "Wedia" in a recent presentaion, and just get on with the job of testing it and incorporating what works into the new world of media.

As you point out, it is going to be an angst-filled transition for many.

The irony of all this is that Elizabeth Kubler-Ross' book that described the transition curve was entitled "On Death & Dying"!

Graham Hill
Independent Management Consultant

]]> By: Overworm http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4397 Overworm Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:50:20 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4397 <p>Hi Candy, my comments were not directed at your post, but at the original article.</p> <p>Regarding your post, I don't see anything wrong with your zine asking for press credentials to a trial. I can understand why a court (or any other deciding body) might not be able to pass out credentials to any person who declares him/herself a journalist. </p> <p>Imagine if the Academy Awards gave a press pass to every person who said she was an "internet correspondent". There would be so many "reporters" in attendance there wouldn't be any seats in the venue for the stars. The line has to be drawn somewhere.</p> <p>However, I don't understand why you had eggs and vitriol slung your way while you stood outside the courthouse. Can you explain?</p> <p>Cheers</p> Hi Candy, my comments were not directed at your post, but at the original article.

Regarding your post, I don't see anything wrong with your zine asking for press credentials to a trial. I can understand why a court (or any other deciding body) might not be able to pass out credentials to any person who declares him/herself a journalist.

Imagine if the Academy Awards gave a press pass to every person who said she was an "internet correspondent". There would be so many "reporters" in attendance there wouldn't be any seats in the venue for the stars. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

However, I don't understand why you had eggs and vitriol slung your way while you stood outside the courthouse. Can you explain?

Cheers

]]> By: Candy Minx http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4396 Candy Minx Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:24:17 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4396 <p>Hi Overworm, I hope I didn't add to your confusion about hubris versus sarcasm. I don't think blogs are going to take over the world, oh god, I am so laughing as I type this...but what my point is, that the court of public opinion is the public, not journalists or politicians or marketers. Its the public. (even though I've heard that journalists and politicians were people too). I don't believe in generations. Heck I don't believe in generations, age, race or gender either. I agree with you that communication is communication.</p> Hi Overworm, I hope I didn't add to your confusion about hubris versus sarcasm. I don't think blogs are going to take over the world, oh god, I am so laughing as I type this…but what my point is, that the court of public opinion is the public, not journalists or politicians or marketers. Its the public. (even though I've heard that journalists and politicians were people too). I don't believe in generations. Heck I don't believe in generations, age, race or gender either. I agree with you that communication is communication.

]]> By: Overworm http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4395 Overworm Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:47:43 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4395 <p>Perhaps I'm simply an old fogey, but I hope more of this article was written with more than a hint of sarcasm. As it was, it reads with more than a hint of hubris, not on the author himself, rather on his generation.</p> <p>Blogging is nice. I have a blog myself. Do I believe blogging will unseat media empires that have existed for nearly a century or more? Not hardly. Remember when there was a company called AOL-TimeWarner? How well did that go down?</p> <p>Blogging is important. The web is important. In the end, it's simply a new way of communicating, not the only way. The same is true of blogging.</p> Perhaps I'm simply an old fogey, but I hope more of this article was written with more than a hint of sarcasm. As it was, it reads with more than a hint of hubris, not on the author himself, rather on his generation.

Blogging is nice. I have a blog myself. Do I believe blogging will unseat media empires that have existed for nearly a century or more? Not hardly. Remember when there was a company called AOL-TimeWarner? How well did that go down?

Blogging is important. The web is important. In the end, it's simply a new way of communicating, not the only way. The same is true of blogging.

]]> By: Brad Berens http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4394 Brad Berens Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:34:06 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4394 <p>Was the Postrel quotation something linkable or an email?</p> Was the Postrel quotation something linkable or an email?

]]> By: AdPulp http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4402 AdPulp Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:12:40 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4402 <strong>Modern Day Dinosaurs Still Have Time To Adapt</strong> Grant McCracken is sure there is an "anthropology of decline" that documents the symptomatology of regime transition. In fact, he keeps a simple typology on cardboard in his wallet....to make it easier to identity institutions in their last days. Stage... Modern Day Dinosaurs Still Have Time To Adapt

Grant McCracken is sure there is an “anthropology of decline” that documents the symptomatology of regime transition. In fact, he keeps a simple typology on cardboard in his wallet….to make it easier to identity institutions in their last days. Stage…

]]> By: Candy Minx http://cultureby.com/2006/04/bloggers_vs_the.html/comment-page-1#comment-4393 Candy Minx Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:54:50 +0000 http://grantmccracken.com/cco/http:/grantmccracken/page-title#comment-4393 <p>Great post and response Grant and Tom. This reminds me of when I used to have a zine , called Kuntgeist, (I know I know what a nerd!) and I went to a famous, for Canada, court case of Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo (serial killers for anyone outside Canada). The public stood outside over night on many days to get inside, it was a huge story. Most of the people in line where U of Toronto gender studies students, crisis and rape councelors and then a few odds and ends like me(mothers, concerned citizens, rape victims, friends of victims of the killer couple) We had eggs thrown at us , shocking name calling I hadn't heard since grade school and a real eye opening surprise for me was the journalists that scorned us. I gave an interview to Details magazine who had the idea that we were a geek eating freak show audience. I asked, what is the difference between you being in the courtroom and me? The journalists had some interesting lame justifications for why they were the voice of public opinion rather than the actual public, heh heh.</p> Great post and response Grant and Tom. This reminds me of when I used to have a zine , called Kuntgeist, (I know I know what a nerd!) and I went to a famous, for Canada, court case of Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo (serial killers for anyone outside Canada). The public stood outside over night on many days to get inside, it was a huge story. Most of the people in line where U of Toronto gender studies students, crisis and rape councelors and then a few odds and ends like me(mothers, concerned citizens, rape victims, friends of victims of the killer couple) We had eggs thrown at us , shocking name calling I hadn't heard since grade school and a real eye opening surprise for me was the journalists that scorned us. I gave an interview to Details magazine who had the idea that we were a geek eating freak show audience. I asked, what is the difference between you being in the courtroom and me? The journalists had some interesting lame justifications for why they were the voice of public opinion rather than the actual public, heh heh.

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