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		<title>By: antropologi.info - anthropology in the news (new)</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4007</link>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is conference blogging!&lt;/strong&gt;
Why haven&#039;t there been such blog posts about the recent EASA-conference (European Association of Social Anthropologists)? Anthropologist Grant McCracken has presented a paper at the EPIC-conference (Ethnographic Praxis in Industry Conference) and writt...
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<p>Why haven&#8217;t there been such blog posts about the recent EASA-conference (European Association of Social Anthropologists)? Anthropologist Grant McCracken has presented a paper at the EPIC-conference (Ethnographic Praxis in Industry Conference) and writt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4006</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, thanks for your comment and for letting us know about your sensational project.  What a great idea.  You and Leora Kornfeld should be talking.  Will send you her particulars.  Best, Grant
Duncan, good point, its a problem, so the issue is how to push back without turning the field into another self congratulatory, self serving elite.  Thanks, Grant
Natasha, thanks for the comment, I think the ethnographers who do analysis are already beginning the process of separation.  Lots of practitioners seem content with &quot;thin description&quot; to rewrite Geertz and hopefully it won&#039;t be long before clients begin to ask for more.  Thanks, Grant
Steve, I guess I think the moment of reckoning is already upon us, there are clients sitting in rooms all of the US going, &quot;this is what we paid for?&quot;  They will hold their tongues indefinitely.  And then discreditation comes like a rising tide, lots of little acts of skepticism and repudiation until a tipping point is accomplishment and the general consensus goes from positive to negative.  Thanks, Grant
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, thanks for your comment and for letting us know about your sensational project.  What a great idea.  You and Leora Kornfeld should be talking.  Will send you her particulars.  Best, Grant</p>
<p>Duncan, good point, its a problem, so the issue is how to push back without turning the field into another self congratulatory, self serving elite.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Natasha, thanks for the comment, I think the ethnographers who do analysis are already beginning the process of separation.  Lots of practitioners seem content with &#8220;thin description&#8221; to rewrite Geertz and hopefully it won&#8217;t be long before clients begin to ask for more.  Thanks, Grant</p>
<p>Steve, I guess I think the moment of reckoning is already upon us, there are clients sitting in rooms all of the US going, &#8220;this is what we paid for?&#8221;  They will hold their tongues indefinitely.  And then discreditation comes like a rising tide, lots of little acts of skepticism and repudiation until a tipping point is accomplishment and the general consensus goes from positive to negative.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4005</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hack problem will only endanger the whole field if there is a) a moment of reckoning--an era when the falsity or inanity of bad work becomes spectacularly clear and b) a substitute fad or method presents itself that can take the place of ethnography. My guess is that neither condition is very likely. Just as ineffective advertising has run rampant for decades because it&#039;s hard to disprove effectiveness, ethnography will not clearly &quot;fail.&quot; And just as no one has really come up with a viable or plausible substitute for advertising, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to be easy to put forward something that sounds a lot better that accomplishes the same thing.
More likely is a cycling and fad-bubbling with different styles of ethnography or theory rising and sinking in prominence, getting relabeled, etc. For example, it wouldn&#039;t shock me if somebody started pushing the wonders of content analysis software for use on interview transcripts. That kind of churn is more like what happens in strategy, where we have at least our fair share of hacks and snake-oilers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hack problem will only endanger the whole field if there is a) a moment of reckoning&#8211;an era when the falsity or inanity of bad work becomes spectacularly clear and b) a substitute fad or method presents itself that can take the place of ethnography. My guess is that neither condition is very likely. Just as ineffective advertising has run rampant for decades because it&#8217;s hard to disprove effectiveness, ethnography will not clearly &#8220;fail.&#8221; And just as no one has really come up with a viable or plausible substitute for advertising, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to be easy to put forward something that sounds a lot better that accomplishes the same thing.</p>
<p>More likely is a cycling and fad-bubbling with different styles of ethnography or theory rising and sinking in prominence, getting relabeled, etc. For example, it wouldn&#8217;t shock me if somebody started pushing the wonders of content analysis software for use on interview transcripts. That kind of churn is more like what happens in strategy, where we have at least our fair share of hacks and snake-oilers.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4004</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant,
Thanks for bringing this up in your blog.  I just got home from EPIC this morning with a mind full of questions, good questions, about etnography as practice and what makes good practice.
The biggest learning I took away from the conference was the distinction between method and analysis and that what separates the sheep from the goats rests on the rigour of analysis that is somehow theoretically informed.
The idea of finding a way to catalogue or capture &quot;extra data&quot; is very appealing.  On what grounds, though, do we define what &quot;useful and intelligent&quot; notes and queries are - in light of the larger context and mission of such an exercise?  I would, of course, much prefer to fall on the side of &quot;ethnographer of standing&quot; than &quot;hack&quot;.
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<p>Thanks for bringing this up in your blog.  I just got home from EPIC this morning with a mind full of questions, good questions, about etnography as practice and what makes good practice.</p>
<p>The biggest learning I took away from the conference was the distinction between method and analysis and that what separates the sheep from the goats rests on the rigour of analysis that is somehow theoretically informed.</p>
<p>The idea of finding a way to catalogue or capture &#8220;extra data&#8221; is very appealing.  On what grounds, though, do we define what &#8220;useful and intelligent&#8221; notes and queries are &#8211; in light of the larger context and mission of such an exercise?  I would, of course, much prefer to fall on the side of &#8220;ethnographer of standing&#8221; than &#8220;hack&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dilys</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>dilys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Duncan is right. I remember a &quot;community&quot; fostered by a then-hip magazine in the late 90&#039;s. For about two years it dazzled, both in conversation and assorted data points. Somehow it became known, and the influx of Living Homage to Gresham emptied the room of interest in little over a month.
If participation there had any resume value, it would have to be independently evaluated piece by piece, and the &quot;era&quot; of participation determined.
I predict if you can create something like you describe, there will need to be a preliminary gatekeeping sooner or later, which would screen but not include the unlikely except as s/he is already known to someone who is already known.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Duncan is right. I remember a &#8220;community&#8221; fostered by a then-hip magazine in the late 90&#8242;s. For about two years it dazzled, both in conversation and assorted data points. Somehow it became known, and the influx of Living Homage to Gresham emptied the room of interest in little over a month.</p>
<p>If participation there had any resume value, it would have to be independently evaluated piece by piece, and the &#8220;era&#8221; of participation determined.</p>
<p>I predict if you can create something like you describe, there will need to be a preliminary gatekeeping sooner or later, which would screen but not include the unlikely except as s/he is already known to someone who is already known.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick — if dark — rejoinder to your Millian optimism. I think you may have neglected the relevance of Gresham&#039;s Law, Grant. It is the economic law that bad currencies drive out good. It has been the rule, rather than the exception, in the humanities for a generation. And these seeds are being strewn all over the culture. Wo betide us if this law were equally applicable to ethnography!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick — if dark — rejoinder to your Millian optimism. I think you may have neglected the relevance of Gresham&#8217;s Law, Grant. It is the economic law that bad currencies drive out good. It has been the rule, rather than the exception, in the humanities for a generation. And these seeds are being strewn all over the culture. Wo betide us if this law were equally applicable to ethnography!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Jackson</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2006/09/ethnography_and.html/comment-page-1#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I might fall under the &quot;ethnographic hack&quot; classification, but I do subscribe to the &quot;cast the net wide&quot; philosophy.  I am working on a project to get people to tell their own home and neighborhood&#039;s story at www.storyofmyhome.com, and would welcome any ethnographic-oriented comments about how to make the site more useful for people trying to conduct research into local history.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I might fall under the &#8220;ethnographic hack&#8221; classification, but I do subscribe to the &#8220;cast the net wide&#8221; philosophy.  I am working on a project to get people to tell their own home and neighborhood&#8217;s story at <a href="http://www.storyofmyhome.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.storyofmyhome.com</a>, and would welcome any ethnographic-oriented comments about how to make the site more useful for people trying to conduct research into local history.</p>
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