Comments on: wisdom of clouds II http://cultureby.com/2007/02/wisdom_of_cloud.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:43:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: coleman http://cultureby.com/2007/02/wisdom_of_cloud.html/comment-page-1#comment-3294 coleman Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:22:44 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=529#comment-3294 The fallacy in the original thesis is what makes this interesting and ironic; it's called begging the question. Cloudier than what is the first response? But the argument is interesting and appeals to the radical critique of the advertising system and the transformation or even transmogrification of the industrial society into the consumer society, the society in which the problem of production has been solved, and the new problem, the new economic imperative of every firm, every state, is to produce the desire to consume all this stuff. It makes us cloudier. Debord called this the soceity of the spectacle. The fallacy in the original thesis is what makes this interesting and ironic; it’s called begging the question. Cloudier than what is the first response? But the argument is interesting and appeals to the radical critique of the advertising system and the transformation or even transmogrification of the industrial society into the consumer society, the society in which the problem of production has been solved, and the new problem, the new economic imperative of every firm, every state, is to produce the desire to consume all this stuff. It makes us cloudier. Debord called this the soceity of the spectacle.

]]> By: Tom Asacker http://cultureby.com/2007/02/wisdom_of_cloud.html/comment-page-1#comment-3293 Tom Asacker Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:41:52 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=529#comment-3293 I'm getting into this whole "cloudiness" thang. And I was with you on people and I'll probably be there again on ideas, but objects? I don't think so, and here's why. As you've mentioned before, cloudiness is a feeling. It's a state of mind. And other than dealing with cleaning out the garage or choosing between a few hundred brands of toothpaste, objects rarely cloud one's thoughts. Imagine driving a bus load of children to school. Many are shouting, some are trying to get your attention, and a few have asked you the meaning of Goethe's last words on his death bed: "More light!" Clouddddy! But all of the stuff on the bus - whether theirs or yours - is having little effect on your brain. You simply deal with the stuff at your immediate disposal, and the stuff relevant to the particular task at hand, and the rest becomes inconsequential. Right? Or am I missing something? I’m getting into this whole “cloudiness” thang. And I was with you on people and I’ll probably be there again on ideas, but objects? I don’t think so, and here’s why.

As you’ve mentioned before, cloudiness is a feeling. It’s a state of mind. And other than dealing with cleaning out the garage or choosing between a few hundred brands of toothpaste, objects rarely cloud one’s thoughts.

Imagine driving a bus load of children to school. Many are shouting, some are trying to get your attention, and a few have asked you the meaning of Goethe’s last words on his death bed: “More light!”

Clouddddy! But all of the stuff on the bus – whether theirs or yours – is having little effect on your brain. You simply deal with the stuff at your immediate disposal, and the stuff relevant to the particular task at hand, and the rest becomes inconsequential. Right? Or am I missing something?

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