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	<title>Comments on: C-Schools: further thoughts on branding, creativity and education</title>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/c-schools-furth.html/comment-page-1#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Central St. Martins College business programs specialize in the management of performing art businesses. I&#039;m sure they do the best they can with business fundamentals, but none of these graduates will end up in C-suites anytime soon.
IIT&#039;s MDes/MBA program looks more relevant. But it takes longer than doing the two programs sequentially! So who knows how much synergy is actually happening in the program, but it&#039;s awesome that they&#039;ve at least recognized the potential.
VCU&#039;s Creative Brand Management is a specialization for the Master of Science in Mass Communication/Advertising degree: it appears to be a professional degree for account execs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Central St. Martins College business programs specialize in the management of performing art businesses. I&#8217;m sure they do the best they can with business fundamentals, but none of these graduates will end up in C-suites anytime soon.</p>
<p>IIT&#8217;s MDes/MBA program looks more relevant. But it takes longer than doing the two programs sequentially! So who knows how much synergy is actually happening in the program, but it&#8217;s awesome that they&#8217;ve at least recognized the potential.</p>
<p>VCU&#8217;s Creative Brand Management is a specialization for the Master of Science in Mass Communication/Advertising degree: it appears to be a professional degree for account execs.</p>
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		<title>By: srp</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/c-schools-furth.html/comment-page-1#comment-2200</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The intersection of design, marketing, and operations, along with an understanding of the competitive environment, should pretty much be the core of positioning strategy. That&#039;s all good. I applaud initiatives like the ones pioneered at IIT.
Let&#039;s not pretend, though, that the branding issues for Axe deodorant have a great deal of similarity to the branding issues for, say, GE&#039;s MRI machines. From 100,000 feet, sure, it&#039;s all marketing, but the importance of agile cultural surfing compared to getting technical trade-offs right is entirely different between the two.
An analogy: Houseflies and people are each subject to friction and gravity, but friction is way more important for housefly locomotion than gravity is and gravity is way more important for people than friction is. Both factors matter for each, but a climbing race between houseflies is mostly about overcoming friction and a climbing race between people is mostly about overcoming gravity.
Possibly we should have more institutional specialization, with some schools focusing on industries where the Axe-issues predominate while others look at MRI-issues. And B-schools probably do underweight the Axe-type markets, and their specific cultural concerns, in the curriculum. What&#039;s funny is that our students tend to have a natural tropism toward thinking that marketing is about coming up with clever advertising, and our marketing faculties try to beat it out of them by talking about targeting, positioning, etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intersection of design, marketing, and operations, along with an understanding of the competitive environment, should pretty much be the core of positioning strategy. That&#8217;s all good. I applaud initiatives like the ones pioneered at IIT.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not pretend, though, that the branding issues for Axe deodorant have a great deal of similarity to the branding issues for, say, GE&#8217;s MRI machines. From 100,000 feet, sure, it&#8217;s all marketing, but the importance of agile cultural surfing compared to getting technical trade-offs right is entirely different between the two.</p>
<p>An analogy: Houseflies and people are each subject to friction and gravity, but friction is way more important for housefly locomotion than gravity is and gravity is way more important for people than friction is. Both factors matter for each, but a climbing race between houseflies is mostly about overcoming friction and a climbing race between people is mostly about overcoming gravity.</p>
<p>Possibly we should have more institutional specialization, with some schools focusing on industries where the Axe-issues predominate while others look at MRI-issues. And B-schools probably do underweight the Axe-type markets, and their specific cultural concerns, in the curriculum. What&#8217;s funny is that our students tend to have a natural tropism toward thinking that marketing is about coming up with clever advertising, and our marketing faculties try to beat it out of them by talking about targeting, positioning, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bishop</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/c-schools-furth.html/comment-page-1#comment-2199</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  One comment and one question.
Comment: It&#039;s interesting that you select the Axe and Dove teams at Unilever as good programs. They&#039;ve been innovative, for sure, but the fact that they&#039;ve operated so independently has created a brand/corporate reputation issue for Unilever.
When Dove launched its campaign against beauty ads, critics pointed out that this message was absolutely incompatible with Axe&#039;s misogynistic ads.
To quote from an op-ed: &quot;A Company&#039;s Ugly Contradiction&quot; in The Boston Globe: &quot;Viewers are struggling to make sense of how Dove can promise to educate girls on a wider definition of beauty while other Unilever ads exhort boys to make &#039;nice girls naughty.&#039; ... Unilever is in the business of selling products, not values, and that means we, the consumers, are being manipulated, no matter how socially responsible an ad seems.&quot;
I think this is a cautionary tale suggesting that renegade activity should have limits and that some corporate oversight is essential.
Question:  David Aaker seems an unlikely or at least an unexpected person to single out to represent all that&#039;s wrong with the business school model of branding. How so? What has he done to deserve such singular attention?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  One comment and one question.</p>
<p>Comment: It&#8217;s interesting that you select the Axe and Dove teams at Unilever as good programs. They&#8217;ve been innovative, for sure, but the fact that they&#8217;ve operated so independently has created a brand/corporate reputation issue for Unilever.</p>
<p>When Dove launched its campaign against beauty ads, critics pointed out that this message was absolutely incompatible with Axe&#8217;s misogynistic ads.</p>
<p>To quote from an op-ed: &#8220;A Company&#8217;s Ugly Contradiction&#8221; in The Boston Globe: &#8220;Viewers are struggling to make sense of how Dove can promise to educate girls on a wider definition of beauty while other Unilever ads exhort boys to make &#8216;nice girls naughty.&#8217; &#8230; Unilever is in the business of selling products, not values, and that means we, the consumers, are being manipulated, no matter how socially responsible an ad seems.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a cautionary tale suggesting that renegade activity should have limits and that some corporate oversight is essential.</p>
<p>Question:  David Aaker seems an unlikely or at least an unexpected person to single out to represent all that&#8217;s wrong with the business school model of branding. How so? What has he done to deserve such singular attention?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Heaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I would add IBM to the list. While they are a tech company, they are also a great marketing company with a big focus on innovation (they generate the most patents of any company every year). For every year I worked there I learned more about innovation and business than I did during my entire university degree.
Of course, now when I hire graduates I don&#039;t look for what they have achieved during their studies. I look at what they have learned. I look at how they have learned. And I try to understand whether they have a flexible mind, a focus on outcomes and an ability to achieve despite roadblocks. Often the best graduates dont come top of class, but somewhere in the top 20%. They need to know what its like to overcome obstacles.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I would add IBM to the list. While they are a tech company, they are also a great marketing company with a big focus on innovation (they generate the most patents of any company every year). For every year I worked there I learned more about innovation and business than I did during my entire university degree.</p>
<p>Of course, now when I hire graduates I don&#8217;t look for what they have achieved during their studies. I look at what they have learned. I look at how they have learned. And I try to understand whether they have a flexible mind, a focus on outcomes and an ability to achieve despite roadblocks. Often the best graduates dont come top of class, but somewhere in the top 20%. They need to know what its like to overcome obstacles.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent LaConte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent LaConte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughtful post Grant. If there&#039;s one thing I&#039;ve learned in the past several years working at the intersection of &quot;business&quot; and &quot;design&quot;, it&#039;s how passionate people on both &quot;sides&quot; of this Venn diagram feel about these issues. At the end of the day, everyone wants to feel that their expertise, their profession, and their hard-earned, heavily mortgaged degree(s) are special and irreplaceable. Nothing new there. To feel otherwise means, ultimately, to feel lay-off-able. Welcome to the psyche of the American factory worker circa 1982.
This is scary stuff. Just read Stuart Elliott&#039;s report last year for the NRC:
http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cfe/Stuart_Elliott_Paper.pdf
predicting that by the year 2030, 41% of managers will be replaced by a computer. And I wonder if deep down, the recipient of an &quot;average&quot; cookie-cutter MBA can sort of sense this.
Lest the design/creative types get too cocky, though, their/our turn will come soon enough. The post-human workforce is not as far away as we&#039;d like to think.
BTW, speaking of skunkworks, my colleague and friend Jeremy Alexis had a nice article on the topic in the winter issue of Stanford D-School&#039;s &quot;Ambidextrous&quot;. Unfortunately not available on-line, but posted as a PDF here:
http://www.id.iit.edu/155/getdocument.php?id=152
The money quote: &quot;I have always been skeptical when clients or managers claim they
want to set up a &#039;skunkworks&#039; for product development. What they generally mean is: &#039;We want to move to a location separate from the corporate headquarters, spend a lot of money, tell no one what we are doing, and have no real accountability.&#039;&quot;
(He goes on to say how he changed his mind about this opinion.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful post Grant. If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve learned in the past several years working at the intersection of &#8220;business&#8221; and &#8220;design&#8221;, it&#8217;s how passionate people on both &#8220;sides&#8221; of this Venn diagram feel about these issues. At the end of the day, everyone wants to feel that their expertise, their profession, and their hard-earned, heavily mortgaged degree(s) are special and irreplaceable. Nothing new there. To feel otherwise means, ultimately, to feel lay-off-able. Welcome to the psyche of the American factory worker circa 1982.</p>
<p>This is scary stuff. Just read Stuart Elliott&#8217;s report last year for the NRC:</p>
<p><a href="http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cfe/Stuart_Elliott_Paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cfe/Stuart_Elliott_Paper.pdf</a></p>
<p>predicting that by the year 2030, 41% of managers will be replaced by a computer. And I wonder if deep down, the recipient of an &#8220;average&#8221; cookie-cutter MBA can sort of sense this.</p>
<p>Lest the design/creative types get too cocky, though, their/our turn will come soon enough. The post-human workforce is not as far away as we&#8217;d like to think.</p>
<p>BTW, speaking of skunkworks, my colleague and friend Jeremy Alexis had a nice article on the topic in the winter issue of Stanford D-School&#8217;s &#8220;Ambidextrous&#8221;. Unfortunately not available on-line, but posted as a PDF here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.id.iit.edu/155/getdocument.php?id=152" rel="nofollow">http://www.id.iit.edu/155/getdocument.php?id=152</a></p>
<p>The money quote: &#8220;I have always been skeptical when clients or managers claim they<br />
want to set up a &#8216;skunkworks&#8217; for product development. What they generally mean is: &#8216;We want to move to a location separate from the corporate headquarters, spend a lot of money, tell no one what we are doing, and have no real accountability.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>(He goes on to say how he changed his mind about this opinion.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, really interesting series of posts. Just wanted to point out that BusinessWeek did an interesting feature issue on &quot;Innovation and Design Schools&quot; in October 2006:
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/dschoolindex.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, really interesting series of posts. Just wanted to point out that BusinessWeek did an interesting feature issue on &#8220;Innovation and Design Schools&#8221; in October 2006:<br />
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/dschoolindex.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/dschoolindex.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story</a></p>
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		<title>By: ville</title>
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		<dc:creator>ville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Kelly Johnson&#039;s 14 Rules for operation at Skunk Works at Lockheed Martin ADP:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aeronautics/skunkworks/14rules.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Kelly Johnson&#8217;s 14 Rules for operation at Skunk Works at Lockheed Martin ADP:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aeronautics/skunkworks/14rules.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aeronautics/skunkworks/14rules.html</a></p>
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