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		<title>By: The Owner&#39;s Manual</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/great-rooms-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>The Owner&#39;s Manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Feminism?  I think we are often too quick to award feminism the badge of cultural molding.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the US, the dining room was cracked open by the lowly TV tray.  Fleeing dining formality to watch the Ed Sullivan Show, a line of sight to the tube became the family geometry long before feminism freed mom from being a server.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stocking a dining room with a TV just isn&#039;t done, so while the good silver sits unpolished in the hutch alongside the fancy dishes, the clock ticks on abandoning the whole enterprise to be replaced with, do you see it coming?, the home theatre/game room.   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism?  I think we are often too quick to award feminism the badge of cultural molding.  </p>
<p>In the US, the dining room was cracked open by the lowly TV tray.  Fleeing dining formality to watch the Ed Sullivan Show, a line of sight to the tube became the family geometry long before feminism freed mom from being a server.</p>
<p>Stocking a dining room with a TV just isn&#39;t done, so while the good silver sits unpolished in the hutch alongside the fancy dishes, the clock ticks on abandoning the whole enterprise to be replaced with, do you see it coming?, the home theatre/game room.   </p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/great-rooms-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joaquin, that image was chosen to a purpose, and FYI there is a &quot;no snobs&quot; rule at This Intersection. Best, Grant &lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: joaquin</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/great-rooms-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great room, so nicely designed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Inaudible Nonsense</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/great-rooms-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Inaudible Nonsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Chinese example above is interesting and contrasts with the Japanese, where the kitchen is often (but not always) about food prep -- cutting, slicing and storage. While the preparing, happens at the table -- often with single burner gas stoves in the middle of the table for making shabu shabu (hot pots) or other kinds of communal soups. The common to Westerners site of the sushi restaurant or teppanyaki (like Benihana) where the food is cut and prepared in the kitchen, but the food is assembled as a show for the guests. I don&#039;t have an anthropological explanation for this. (The Japanese do love food. A good percentage of their TV shows are cooking shows, and talk shows often ask their pop star guests to prepare a dish on stage.) But the difference fascinates, as the Japanese are not known for being more open to exhibitionism than the Chinese.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese example above is interesting and contrasts with the Japanese, where the kitchen is often (but not always) about food prep &#8212; cutting, slicing and storage. While the preparing, happens at the table &#8212; often with single burner gas stoves in the middle of the table for making shabu shabu (hot pots) or other kinds of communal soups. The common to Westerners site of the sushi restaurant or teppanyaki (like Benihana) where the food is cut and prepared in the kitchen, but the food is assembled as a show for the guests. I don&#39;t have an anthropological explanation for this. (The Japanese do love food. A good percentage of their TV shows are cooking shows, and talk shows often ask their pop star guests to prepare a dish on stage.) But the difference fascinates, as the Japanese are not known for being more open to exhibitionism than the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: joaquin</title>
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		<dc:creator>joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great room, so nicely designed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Mary Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/01/great-rooms-all.html/comment-page-1#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And there were the &quot;good old days&quot; when the kitchen wasn&#039;t even in the house - since it tended to catch on fire. As I ramble along my synapses, it also occurs to me that far fewer people these days actually cook - they open, heat up, bring in - so having an &quot;open&quot; kitchen makes more sense, since it&#039;s more a social setting than a food prep area.  (If you regularly cooked pasta sauce from scratch or fried fish - well, the openness wouldn&#039;t be a good idea.)   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Contrary femme (and avid cook) that I am, one of my big &quot;must haves&quot; in buying a house is that the kitchen was at least somewhat separated from the rest of the house. I don&#039;t want to walk in the front door and the first thing I see is the kitchen sink.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(And then there&#039;s the absurdity of people spending fortunes on trophy kitchens, complete with Viking stoves they never use. Ah, the absurdity of humans!)   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there were the &quot;good old days&quot; when the kitchen wasn&#39;t even in the house &#8211; since it tended to catch on fire. As I ramble along my synapses, it also occurs to me that far fewer people these days actually cook &#8211; they open, heat up, bring in &#8211; so having an &quot;open&quot; kitchen makes more sense, since it&#39;s more a social setting than a food prep area.  (If you regularly cooked pasta sauce from scratch or fried fish &#8211; well, the openness wouldn&#39;t be a good idea.)   </p>
<p>Contrary femme (and avid cook) that I am, one of my big &quot;must haves&quot; in buying a house is that the kitchen was at least somewhat separated from the rest of the house. I don&#39;t want to walk in the front door and the first thing I see is the kitchen sink.  </p>
<p>(And then there&#39;s the absurdity of people spending fortunes on trophy kitchens, complete with Viking stoves they never use. Ah, the absurdity of humans!)   </p>
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		<title>By: Ken Erickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Most Chinese apartment kitchens have a door, often a sliding door (or at least a sliding window) and, interestingly, nearly all have a LOCK on the door.  In Shanghai, men will most often be the cooks, by the way.  People in some parts of the world find it odd that anyone would want to socialize in the kitchen.  People may have cutting boards on the floor, chickens being plucked, woks aflame. . .all that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Forty-five years ago,  in small-town Western Kansas, my maternal grandmother&#039;s &quot;modern&quot; (and all electric) kitchen allowed the woman at the sink to look over the heads of her grandchildren without so much as turning around, let alone opening a door. There was a great long booth in front of a big picture window looking out on the neighbor across the street that stood alone in a great green (or golden) wheat field.  The kitchen counter was behind that booth, with a little shelf between the kitchen counter right at a twelve-year-old head level.  Salt and pepper shakers lived there (as handy for the cook as for the diners).   Grandmother passed french toast and gossip across the back of that booth for about fifty yearsl  The adjoining, and separate, dining room was  for Christmas, Thanksgiving, and winter-time birthdays.  All other meals were in this great kitchen, or outside at the patio table, by the grill.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And grandmother&#039;s mother&#039;s house in Northeast Kansas had a great square kitchen with a table big enough for all twelve children and three farm hands.   Women managed kitchens like these the way shop-floor supervisors manage a production line.  They are engaged with the business of cooking and the business of eating, start to finish.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Grant, the great open kitchen  is hardly anything new, at least not to farm families. Perhaps it is those little dining rooms that are the odd innovation.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its a great topic, but I think we are talking about the end of some sort of upper-class, London town-house dining room that may have only existed in our Masterpiece Theater dreams.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m hungry, now; partly for some house-plan data, and partly for some french toast.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Chinese apartment kitchens have a door, often a sliding door (or at least a sliding window) and, interestingly, nearly all have a LOCK on the door.  In Shanghai, men will most often be the cooks, by the way.  People in some parts of the world find it odd that anyone would want to socialize in the kitchen.  People may have cutting boards on the floor, chickens being plucked, woks aflame. . .all that.</p>
<p>Forty-five years ago,  in small-town Western Kansas, my maternal grandmother&#39;s &quot;modern&quot; (and all electric) kitchen allowed the woman at the sink to look over the heads of her grandchildren without so much as turning around, let alone opening a door. There was a great long booth in front of a big picture window looking out on the neighbor across the street that stood alone in a great green (or golden) wheat field.  The kitchen counter was behind that booth, with a little shelf between the kitchen counter right at a twelve-year-old head level.  Salt and pepper shakers lived there (as handy for the cook as for the diners).   Grandmother passed french toast and gossip across the back of that booth for about fifty yearsl  The adjoining, and separate, dining room was  for Christmas, Thanksgiving, and winter-time birthdays.  All other meals were in this great kitchen, or outside at the patio table, by the grill.</p>
<p>And grandmother&#39;s mother&#39;s house in Northeast Kansas had a great square kitchen with a table big enough for all twelve children and three farm hands.   Women managed kitchens like these the way shop-floor supervisors manage a production line.  They are engaged with the business of cooking and the business of eating, start to finish.  </p>
<p>Grant, the great open kitchen  is hardly anything new, at least not to farm families. Perhaps it is those little dining rooms that are the odd innovation.  </p>
<p>Its a great topic, but I think we are talking about the end of some sort of upper-class, London town-house dining room that may have only existed in our Masterpiece Theater dreams.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m hungry, now; partly for some house-plan data, and partly for some french toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about maids and feminism? Would we have open kitchens if most married women had maids to address food preparation? Have you ever been to an apartment designed in the 1930s, when women had maids? Tiny kitchen, large entertaining area.&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, it is bougie to have a dining room and use it.&lt;br /&gt;
In Eastern Europe, people still socialize around the table. Depends on class, though.&lt;br /&gt;
I think it is weird that in the US, rooms (other than bedrooms) do not have doors. You cook in an open kitchen, and the noise, smell, heat travels throughout the house.&lt;br /&gt;
Kitchens are a great topic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about maids and feminism? Would we have open kitchens if most married women had maids to address food preparation? Have you ever been to an apartment designed in the 1930s, when women had maids? Tiny kitchen, large entertaining area.<br />
Yes, it is bougie to have a dining room and use it.<br />
In Eastern Europe, people still socialize around the table. Depends on class, though.<br />
I think it is weird that in the US, rooms (other than bedrooms) do not have doors. You cook in an open kitchen, and the noise, smell, heat travels throughout the house.<br />
Kitchens are a great topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Piersy, no offense taken, I think we have to see the continuities even and esp. when they are eclipsed by recent developments.  There was no great leap forward, no abolishment of everything that went before.  All the more reason to keep an eye out for the smuggling in of the old conventions, and yours is after all the culture that minted them.  As to photography, I am speaking not of pros or semi-pros but the snap happy amateur and this one I have documented down to the ground.  Thanks for your comments.  Much appreciated.  Best, Grant  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piersy, no offense taken, I think we have to see the continuities even and esp. when they are eclipsed by recent developments.  There was no great leap forward, no abolishment of everything that went before.  All the more reason to keep an eye out for the smuggling in of the old conventions, and yours is after all the culture that minted them.  As to photography, I am speaking not of pros or semi-pros but the snap happy amateur and this one I have documented down to the ground.  Thanks for your comments.  Much appreciated.  Best, Grant  </p>
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		<title>By: piersy</title>
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		<dc:creator>piersy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;...and another thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apologies again Grant, firstly I didn&#039;t mean all your points, just those I highlighted, plus rereading my post I seem to come across somewhat brusque; not my intention, perhaps a facet of first-thing-in-the-morning-syndrome.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m always a little wary when sterotyped preconceptions like the hold of Victorian propriety&#039; get applied to my homeland. Clearly in your case these aren&#039;t preconceived, but perhaps you indulge yourself in lending them rather too much weight.&lt;br /&gt;
There&#039;s great concern here at the lack of any propriety, which is why we end up with tory MPs and the daily mail constantly trotting out simplistic soundbites about family, and victorian values, and even, god forbid, class. But such is life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sweeping statements also raise my defenses somewhat, like &quot;shift we see in the world of photograph where the portrait has given way to the more spontaneous action shot.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
As a semi-pro I can testify to the portrait being a timeless format that will never go, and the spontaneous action shot has been a healthy facet of the art for quite some time too; see Henri C-B, Capa et al.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Aaaanyhoo, I stumbled upon your blog not too long of  time ago and am finding it fascinating reading, so by way of reinforcing the Hugh Grant school of British stereotype, once again, sorry ... sorry ;)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and another thing.</p>
<p>Apologies again Grant, firstly I didn&#39;t mean all your points, just those I highlighted, plus rereading my post I seem to come across somewhat brusque; not my intention, perhaps a facet of first-thing-in-the-morning-syndrome.</p>
<p>I&#39;m always a little wary when sterotyped preconceptions like the hold of Victorian propriety&#39; get applied to my homeland. Clearly in your case these aren&#39;t preconceived, but perhaps you indulge yourself in lending them rather too much weight.<br />
There&#39;s great concern here at the lack of any propriety, which is why we end up with tory MPs and the daily mail constantly trotting out simplistic soundbites about family, and victorian values, and even, god forbid, class. But such is life.</p>
<p>Sweeping statements also raise my defenses somewhat, like &quot;shift we see in the world of photograph where the portrait has given way to the more spontaneous action shot.&quot;<br />
As a semi-pro I can testify to the portrait being a timeless format that will never go, and the spontaneous action shot has been a healthy facet of the art for quite some time too; see Henri C-B, Capa et al.</p>
<p>Aaaanyhoo, I stumbled upon your blog not too long of  time ago and am finding it fascinating reading, so by way of reinforcing the Hugh Grant school of British stereotype, once again, sorry &#8230; sorry <img src='http://cultureby.com/cco/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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