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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/culture-maps-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-2061</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lana --
Your comment makes me think how deeply embedded in western culture is the idea of competition.   (This is not a criticism of you, by the way, just an observation about the brackets game you describe.)
I can&#039;t imagine ever playing a game based on asking who wins when:
something VERSUS something else.
Why not, instead, ask what is:
something AND something else
or what is:
child of something and something else
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lana &#8211;</p>
<p>Your comment makes me think how deeply embedded in western culture is the idea of competition.   (This is not a criticism of you, by the way, just an observation about the brackets game you describe.)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine ever playing a game based on asking who wins when:</p>
<p>something VERSUS something else.</p>
<p>Why not, instead, ask what is:</p>
<p>something AND something else</p>
<p>or what is:</p>
<p>child of something and something else</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Postrel</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/culture-maps-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Postrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Alda to Wayne Rogers to me to Bill Eggers to Dave Eggers. (I once went to a Liberty Fund conference with Wayne Rogers who played Trapper John and Dave&#039;s brother Bill Eggers is a friend and former colleague of mine.) So there. I am, as steve says, the queen of weak ties.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Alda to Wayne Rogers to me to Bill Eggers to Dave Eggers. (I once went to a Liberty Fund conference with Wayne Rogers who played Trapper John and Dave&#8217;s brother Bill Eggers is a friend and former colleague of mine.) So there. I am, as steve says, the queen of weak ties.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh fun!
This reminds me...
When I worked at a restaurant while applying to graduate school, we would play a game we called Brackets. Here how it goes:
1. Someone would draw up a set of blank tournament brackets, like they ones they use in college basketball (GO GATORS!)
2. We&#039;d fill the brackets in with binaries. The binaries weren&#039;t necessarily opposites, and they we&#039;re necessarily interchangeables, either. Whales vs. Dolphins works. Or Cunning vs. Generosity of Spirit. Or Groucho Marx vs. Karl Marx. Or, since it&#039;s a thing now, Eggers vs. Alda.
3. We&#039;d debate until we decided which of the bracket won. Let&#039;s day that Whales, Generosity of Spirit, Groucho Marx, and Alda advanced on the the next round
4. Now it&#039;s Whales vs. Generosity of Spirit and Groucho vs. Alan...
5. And so on... until there is only one winner.
I don&#039;t think we made this game up... My sense is that the idea was bubbling around among a lot of different people. There&#039;s this book that came after I moved to Cambridge. I haven&#039;t read or even seen it in person, but it looks like it tries to turn Brackets into utilitarian exercise. Less fun.
I feel like this relates the mapping game because they both rely on the unspoken cultural feel we have about things... I can&#039;t explain why both Eggers and West Wing are so very NPR anymore than I can why whales beats out generosity of spirit. Brackets can only be played collectively, and in some ways it, too, maps a cultures.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh fun!</p>
<p>This reminds me&#8230;<br />
When I worked at a restaurant while applying to graduate school, we would play a game we called Brackets. Here how it goes:<br />
1. Someone would draw up a set of blank tournament brackets, like they ones they use in college basketball (GO GATORS!)<br />
2. We&#8217;d fill the brackets in with binaries. The binaries weren&#8217;t necessarily opposites, and they we&#8217;re necessarily interchangeables, either. Whales vs. Dolphins works. Or Cunning vs. Generosity of Spirit. Or Groucho Marx vs. Karl Marx. Or, since it&#8217;s a thing now, Eggers vs. Alda.<br />
3. We&#8217;d debate until we decided which of the bracket won. Let&#8217;s day that Whales, Generosity of Spirit, Groucho Marx, and Alda advanced on the the next round<br />
4. Now it&#8217;s Whales vs. Generosity of Spirit and Groucho vs. Alan&#8230;<br />
5. And so on&#8230; until there is only one winner.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we made this game up&#8230; My sense is that the idea was bubbling around among a lot of different people. There&#8217;s this book that came after I moved to Cambridge. I haven&#8217;t read or even seen it in person, but it looks like it tries to turn Brackets into utilitarian exercise. Less fun.</p>
<p>I feel like this relates the mapping game because they both rely on the unspoken cultural feel we have about things&#8230; I can&#8217;t explain why both Eggers and West Wing are so very NPR anymore than I can why whales beats out generosity of spirit. Brackets can only be played collectively, and in some ways it, too, maps a cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/culture-maps-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-2058</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I don&#039;t think these are that far off that it takes that many steps. Alda embodied/created the prototype for the post-modern male: sensitive, introspective, ironic. (Or perhaps it was Woody Allen that created it, Alda became a central figure in Allen&#039;s work of the 1980s). Coupland and Eggers are the inheritors of that tradition in the generation X vain.
Speaking of cultural maps, George Maciunas (founder of the fluxists, SoHo loft developer and architect) was incredibly infatuated with mapping and made many maps and chronologies of the avant guard and the fluxists and art history in general. They stand as art works in and of themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I don&#8217;t think these are that far off that it takes that many steps. Alda embodied/created the prototype for the post-modern male: sensitive, introspective, ironic. (Or perhaps it was Woody Allen that created it, Alda became a central figure in Allen&#8217;s work of the 1980s). Coupland and Eggers are the inheritors of that tradition in the generation X vain.</p>
<p>Speaking of cultural maps, George Maciunas (founder of the fluxists, SoHo loft developer and architect) was incredibly infatuated with mapping and made many maps and chronologies of the avant guard and the fluxists and art history in general. They stand as art works in and of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Liebling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Liebling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating idea that&#039;s right up my alley, but I fear it could degenerate in to some serious navel-gazing. Why exactly do we want to map the distance from Alda to Eggers? And if they are far apart on the map, as you suggest, their distance is measured relative to what? Eggers is farther from Alda than actor Ken Howard, who played a sensitive male character on an early 80s TV show, but much closer to Alda than Dave Mustaine, leader of Speed Metal group Megadeth. I think I tend to agree with Ms. Swartz that Alda &amp; Eggers wouldn&#039;t be that far apart, both appealing to left-leaning intellectuals (just a guess). Now, creating a culture map from say, Kanye West to Joel Osteen, that might be interesting. Is there a place where I can tap into two entities with huge support bases that are seemingly polar opposites? Maybe not, maybe they are too far apart. But a map that connected Kanye West (American hip hop artist) to Daft Punk (European techno stars) may have predicted the hit single by West, Stronger (featuring Daft Punk).
I think artists make these culture maps mentally. Kanye uses a Japanese graphic artist for his album covers; Japanese pop culture features robots; Daft Punk exclusively appear in public dressed as... robots. Ok, that&#039;s probably a gross oversimplification, but these culture maps exist. I think your idea for a website that creates, catalogs and archives them would be brilliant. I wonder if the guys at PSFK don&#039;t already do this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating idea that&#8217;s right up my alley, but I fear it could degenerate in to some serious navel-gazing. Why exactly do we want to map the distance from Alda to Eggers? And if they are far apart on the map, as you suggest, their distance is measured relative to what? Eggers is farther from Alda than actor Ken Howard, who played a sensitive male character on an early 80s TV show, but much closer to Alda than Dave Mustaine, leader of Speed Metal group Megadeth. I think I tend to agree with Ms. Swartz that Alda &#038; Eggers wouldn&#8217;t be that far apart, both appealing to left-leaning intellectuals (just a guess). Now, creating a culture map from say, Kanye West to Joel Osteen, that might be interesting. Is there a place where I can tap into two entities with huge support bases that are seemingly polar opposites? Maybe not, maybe they are too far apart. But a map that connected Kanye West (American hip hop artist) to Daft Punk (European techno stars) may have predicted the hit single by West, Stronger (featuring Daft Punk).</p>
<p>I think artists make these culture maps mentally. Kanye uses a Japanese graphic artist for his album covers; Japanese pop culture features robots; Daft Punk exclusively appear in public dressed as&#8230; robots. Ok, that&#8217;s probably a gross oversimplification, but these culture maps exist. I think your idea for a website that creates, catalogs and archives them would be brilliant. I wonder if the guys at PSFK don&#8217;t already do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Portigal</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/culture-maps-a.html/comment-page-1#comment-2056</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Portigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you been reading Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs or something? It&#039;s so neo-Klosterman of you!
PS - BART? That&#039;s a surprising image to see here!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you been reading Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs or something? It&#8217;s so neo-Klosterman of you!</p>
<p>PS &#8211; BART? That&#8217;s a surprising image to see here!</p>
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