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		<title>By: John L</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/ted-and-the-ant.html/comment-page-1#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>John L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s all good. I created a collaborative book which explored the intersection of religion and technology - forty participants, nomadic, horizontal, participative, nobody &quot;in control&quot; - but there HAD to be a certain amount of definition - just as BIL must have predefined place, ground rules, and people bringing content. The book (www.lulu.com/wikiklesia) won a 2007 SNCR Award and has raised thousands of dollars for charity (Not For Sale Campaign). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said.... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just returned from TED. Sure, it&#039;s &quot;organized&quot; - but the most important part of the organization is what happens spontaneously among individuals during breaks, meals, and off-time. TED is more or less the &quot;excuse&quot; for people of great passion - positive social influencers - to gather once a year and build ideas non-stop for 4 days. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The connections made at TED, thanks in part to its particular vertical structure, do synergize and cause great world change. Not that BIL doesn&#039;t bring change... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bottom line - there&#039;s a place for both kinds of structures (along a continuum). I&#039;m the biggest fan of ventures like BIL, but it&#039;s simply not going to replace the kind of focus I&#039;m looking for at TED. Ideologically, BIL and TED are in fact very close together.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s all good. I created a collaborative book which explored the intersection of religion and technology &#8211; forty participants, nomadic, horizontal, participative, nobody &quot;in control&quot; &#8211; but there HAD to be a certain amount of definition &#8211; just as BIL must have predefined place, ground rules, and people bringing content. The book (www.lulu.com/wikiklesia) won a 2007 SNCR Award and has raised thousands of dollars for charity (Not For Sale Campaign). </p>
<p>That said&#8230;. </p>
<p>I just returned from TED. Sure, it&#39;s &quot;organized&quot; &#8211; but the most important part of the organization is what happens spontaneously among individuals during breaks, meals, and off-time. TED is more or less the &quot;excuse&quot; for people of great passion &#8211; positive social influencers &#8211; to gather once a year and build ideas non-stop for 4 days. </p>
<p>The connections made at TED, thanks in part to its particular vertical structure, do synergize and cause great world change. Not that BIL doesn&#39;t bring change&#8230; </p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; there&#39;s a place for both kinds of structures (along a continuum). I&#39;m the biggest fan of ventures like BIL, but it&#39;s simply not going to replace the kind of focus I&#39;m looking for at TED. Ideologically, BIL and TED are in fact very close together.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Guarriello</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/ted-and-the-ant.html/comment-page-1#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Guarriello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After the last session of TED on Saturday, I went over to visit the BIL conference. Delightful. Different. Fun. In 1990, I was lucky enough to attend several events &quot;hosted&quot; by Harrison Owen, the creator of Open Space Technology, the foundational model for &quot;unconferences.&quot; I&#039;ve also attended eight TEDs. Both models are highly informative and radically different. For me, it&#039;s not an either/or choice. Both have great value. I hope BIL lives on and know TED will. I blogged about some of the anti-TED snarkiness here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truetalkblog.com/truetalk/2008/03/never-underesti.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.truetalkblog.com/truetalk/2008/03/never-underesti.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the last session of TED on Saturday, I went over to visit the BIL conference. Delightful. Different. Fun. In 1990, I was lucky enough to attend several events &quot;hosted&quot; by Harrison Owen, the creator of Open Space Technology, the foundational model for &quot;unconferences.&quot; I&#39;ve also attended eight TEDs. Both models are highly informative and radically different. For me, it&#39;s not an either/or choice. Both have great value. I hope BIL lives on and know TED will. I blogged about some of the anti-TED snarkiness here: <a href="http://www.truetalkblog.com/truetalk/2008/03/never-underesti.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.truetalkblog.com/truetalk/2008/03/never-underesti.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/ted-and-the-ant.html/comment-page-1#comment-1875</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hee.  don&#039;t get me wrong.  I think self-organization and the BIL paradigm is the wave of the future.  But both conferences are driven by a more pressing paradigm shift towards cooperation rather than pure competition.  And suggesting that BIL is really a kick in the balls for TED assumes the latter and suggests you might want to read the ~entire~ BIL website a little more carefully and with different internal assumptions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hee.  don&#39;t get me wrong.  I think self-organization and the BIL paradigm is the wave of the future.  But both conferences are driven by a more pressing paradigm shift towards cooperation rather than pure competition.  And suggesting that BIL is really a kick in the balls for TED assumes the latter and suggests you might want to read the ~entire~ BIL website a little more carefully and with different internal assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant McCracken</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/ted-and-the-ant.html/comment-page-1#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant McCracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t help feeling I touched a nerve.  Thanks, Grant&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t help feeling I touched a nerve.  Thanks, Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think your comments are, well, little more than a cheap&lt;br /&gt;
potshot intended to stir controversy. You didn&#039;t even get that&lt;br /&gt;
the BIL acronym is constantly changing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;archist and anarchist methodologies yield different results. The&lt;br /&gt;
overlap between conferences in time and space is slight, and appears&lt;br /&gt;
to be an attempt at synergy rather than competition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The hierarchy of TED ensures quality and focus. An un-conference can&lt;br /&gt;
only achieve that through luck or quality of attendees (again&lt;br /&gt;
elitism). So, while TED is indeed bounded by the vision of it&#039;s own&lt;br /&gt;
hierarchy, and limited slightly by the financial elitism, it remains a&lt;br /&gt;
fantastic edge zone for sharing inter-disciplinary ideas. The TED&lt;br /&gt;
price tag works as a way to limit attendance to something manageable,&lt;br /&gt;
and a good chunk of those funds go to the TED Prize good-niks, and by&lt;br /&gt;
making the videos available to everyone for free, goes a long way&lt;br /&gt;
towards counteracting the elitism of the conference itself. Indeed&lt;br /&gt;
they&#039;re planning to increase the rate of releases to a new video every&lt;br /&gt;
day this year!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BIL would not exist without 25 years of TED demonstrating the power of&lt;br /&gt;
interdisciplinary knowledge sharing and the enlightened self-interest&lt;br /&gt;
that came from disseminating their videos for free instead of trying&lt;br /&gt;
to make more revenue off the conference. The &quot;organizers&quot; of BIL seem to&lt;br /&gt;
acknowledge that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Similarly, TED appears to recognize the value that can come from a more&lt;br /&gt;
egalitarian version of their conference. BIL has a strong potential&lt;br /&gt;
for &quot;outside the box&quot; ideas, which over time will positively influence&lt;br /&gt;
the TED crowd. The slight overlap is overtly intended to allow&lt;br /&gt;
interested TED attendees to pop into BIL and get a taste of both&lt;br /&gt;
worlds. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your comments are, well, little more than a cheap<br />
potshot intended to stir controversy. You didn&#39;t even get that<br />
the BIL acronym is constantly changing.</p>
<p>archist and anarchist methodologies yield different results. The<br />
overlap between conferences in time and space is slight, and appears<br />
to be an attempt at synergy rather than competition.</p>
<p>The hierarchy of TED ensures quality and focus. An un-conference can<br />
only achieve that through luck or quality of attendees (again<br />
elitism). So, while TED is indeed bounded by the vision of it&#39;s own<br />
hierarchy, and limited slightly by the financial elitism, it remains a<br />
fantastic edge zone for sharing inter-disciplinary ideas. The TED<br />
price tag works as a way to limit attendance to something manageable,<br />
and a good chunk of those funds go to the TED Prize good-niks, and by<br />
making the videos available to everyone for free, goes a long way<br />
towards counteracting the elitism of the conference itself. Indeed<br />
they&#39;re planning to increase the rate of releases to a new video every<br />
day this year!</p>
<p>BIL would not exist without 25 years of TED demonstrating the power of<br />
interdisciplinary knowledge sharing and the enlightened self-interest<br />
that came from disseminating their videos for free instead of trying<br />
to make more revenue off the conference. The &quot;organizers&quot; of BIL seem to<br />
acknowledge that.</p>
<p>Similarly, TED appears to recognize the value that can come from a more<br />
egalitarian version of their conference. BIL has a strong potential<br />
for &quot;outside the box&quot; ideas, which over time will positively influence<br />
the TED crowd. The slight overlap is overtly intended to allow<br />
interested TED attendees to pop into BIL and get a taste of both<br />
worlds. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Portigal</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/02/ted-and-the-ant.html/comment-page-1#comment-1872</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Portigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t forget that Slamdance has been doing this for 13 years&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival&lt;/a&gt; and the U-Knows, in reaction to the Junos, started in 1981. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Knows&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Knows&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t forget that Slamdance has been doing this for 13 years<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival</a> and the U-Knows, in reaction to the Junos, started in 1981. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Knows" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Knows</a></p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this is the barcamp model, no?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;essentially the un-conference.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;attended one in vancouver last summer&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://2007.newformsfestival.com/artcamp/index.php/Participants&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://2007.newformsfestival.com/artcamp/index.php/Participants&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the way it worked: there&#039;s a whiteboard with time slots; if you&#039;re interested in talking about something, sign up for a time and a room. bring your laptop, plug into the projector, and do your presentation, with realtime Q&amp;A, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i must say that i thought it worked very well as a system. the people who were there (and this was on a sunny saturday in august in vancouver) really wanted to be there and were truly interested in getting provocative ideas out there, hearing what others had to say, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so this takes the idea of the best things that happen at conferences happens in the hallways (i think that was the Idea City line) and puts the best things back into rooms, but allows the best things to self-organize and self-define.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PS shouldn&#039;t your post have been called BIL vs TED&#039;s excellent adventure?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the barcamp model, no?</p>
<p>essentially the un-conference.</p>
<p>attended one in vancouver last summer<br />
<a href="http://2007.newformsfestival.com/artcamp/index.php/Participants" rel="nofollow">http://2007.newformsfestival.com/artcamp/index.php/Participants</a></p>
<p>the way it worked: there&#39;s a whiteboard with time slots; if you&#39;re interested in talking about something, sign up for a time and a room. bring your laptop, plug into the projector, and do your presentation, with realtime Q&amp;A, etc.</p>
<p>i must say that i thought it worked very well as a system. the people who were there (and this was on a sunny saturday in august in vancouver) really wanted to be there and were truly interested in getting provocative ideas out there, hearing what others had to say, etc.</p>
<p>so this takes the idea of the best things that happen at conferences happens in the hallways (i think that was the Idea City line) and puts the best things back into rooms, but allows the best things to self-organize and self-define.</p>
<p>PS shouldn&#39;t your post have been called BIL vs TED&#39;s excellent adventure?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just as we gain understanding of ourselves through relationships with others, perhaps BIL&#039;s participatns will learn more about BIL and TED, by being so close geographically but so far ideologically. It would be an incredible opportunity to observe and write about.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as we gain understanding of ourselves through relationships with others, perhaps BIL&#39;s participatns will learn more about BIL and TED, by being so close geographically but so far ideologically. It would be an incredible opportunity to observe and write about.</p>
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