Comments on: The Martin Paradox, revisited http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Wed, 23 May 2012 20:32:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Terry Rock http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2110 Terry Rock Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:00:55 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2110 I'm contractually obligated to point out that Keith Johnstone moved to Canada to teach at the University of Calgary, and it was in Calgary that Loose Moose was born (and still thrives: http://www.loosemoose.com/) This was a PSA from Calgary Arts Development! I’m contractually obligated to point out that Keith Johnstone moved to Canada to teach at the University of Calgary, and it was in Calgary that Loose Moose was born (and still thrives: http://www.loosemoose.com/)

This was a PSA from Calgary Arts Development!

]]> By: Christopher http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2109 Christopher Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:15:49 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2109 Interestingly, the Make It Stick boys talked about improv in their most recent Fast Company article. Improv actually works because of the constraints -- a defining premise, lines that are fed to people (you are taught to be very specific in your details when saying a line, so that the other person has something to build on), a specific time and place (imagined and physical). Perhaps the problem with Group Canadian creativity is that there is a resistance to establishing the right kinds of rules. No form of measurement from the outset. I haven't a clue, my Canadian experience is limited enough not to entirely be able to draw any conclusions. Perhaps a royal commission with a set of parameters might help. Interestingly, the Make It Stick boys talked about improv in their most recent Fast Company article. Improv actually works because of the constraints — a defining premise, lines that are fed to people (you are taught to be very specific in your details when saying a line, so that the other person has something to build on), a specific time and place (imagined and physical).

Perhaps the problem with Group Canadian creativity is that there is a resistance to establishing the right kinds of rules. No form of measurement from the outset.

I haven’t a clue, my Canadian experience is limited enough not to entirely be able to draw any conclusions. Perhaps a royal commission with a set of parameters might help.

]]> By: Laurie http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2108 Laurie Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:13:29 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2108 It's funny, Grant; I was going to sugget you call a Royal Commission on that. I don't know if you've encountered any Royal Commission reports, but they tend to be policy-driven and rather obvious in their findings. When government (read: ideology and politics) gets involved, Canadians are pressured to be more inclusive, more diverse, and possibly less free thinking and creative. My experience as a Canadian is that on a volunteer level, groups can be very innovative and productive. It's when government gets involved when the freedom to express ideas creatively gets dampened. Left to their own devices and combining passion with an agenda for a greater good (as is the case for volunteers), creativity is enhanced. It’s funny, Grant; I was going to sugget you call a Royal Commission on that. I don’t know if you’ve encountered any Royal Commission reports, but they tend to be policy-driven and rather obvious in their findings. When government (read: ideology and politics) gets involved, Canadians are pressured to be more inclusive, more diverse, and possibly less free thinking and creative.

My experience as a Canadian is that on a volunteer level, groups can be very innovative and productive. It’s when government gets involved when the freedom to express ideas creatively gets dampened. Left to their own devices and combining passion with an agenda for a greater good (as is the case for volunteers), creativity is enhanced.

]]> By: peter http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2107 peter Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:40:43 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2107 So if Canadians are only creative in groups when the group activity is somehow illicit or frowned-upon, it would behoove top management to publicly oppose (but in fact support) brainstorming sessions and skunk-works. Sort of like senior US Government and military officials in the late 1950s publicly announcing that they did not trust or use game theory (annoucements which they did make), in order to entice the USSR to use it. Requires a rather subtle style of management to do this -- something I doubt any MBA graduate is going to understand. So if Canadians are only creative in groups when the group activity is somehow illicit or frowned-upon, it would behoove top management to publicly oppose (but in fact support) brainstorming sessions and skunk-works. Sort of like senior US Government and military officials in the late 1950s publicly announcing that they did not trust or use game theory (annoucements which they did make), in order to entice the USSR to use it. Requires a rather subtle style of management to do this — something I doubt any MBA graduate is going to understand.

]]> By: Mary Schmidt http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2106 Mary Schmidt Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:40:23 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2106 The bigger question is why are Canadians so gosh darned nice all the time? ;-) (I worked for Nortel (then Northern Telecom) for six years, have spent time in Ottawa...and I have had several Canuck friends over the years.) The bigger question is why are Canadians so gosh darned nice all the time? ;-)

(I worked for Nortel (then Northern Telecom) for six years, have spent time in Ottawa…and I have had several Canuck friends over the years.)

]]> By: Mary Schmidt http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2105 Mary Schmidt Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:39:44 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2105 The bigger question is why are Canadians so gosh darned nice all the time? ;-) (I worked for Nortel (then Northern Telecom) for six years, have spent time in Ottawa...and I have had several Canuck friends over the years.) The bigger question is why are Canadians so gosh darned nice all the time? ;-)

(I worked for Nortel (then Northern Telecom) for six years, have spent time in Ottawa…and I have had several Canuck friends over the years.)

]]> By: aj http://cultureby.com/2008/02/the-martin-para.html/comment-page-1#comment-2104 aj Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:03:31 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=344#comment-2104 Just as a pedantic note from someone who did improv for 10 years, Second City's origins are American; the troupe evolved from Chicago's Compass Players (which included Mike Nichols and Elaine May) into the first "Second City" troupe; Toronto's group was second, there was a short-lived New York branch, and now another one in Detroit. The Second City school was based on American theatre teacher Viola Spolin's work. Canadian improv actually has more British roots - Keith Johnstone, ex of the Royal Court Theatre in London, moved to Canada and brought his theatre games with him (which toured Europe as the Theatre Machine in the 60s); he taught at Red Deer College in Alberta where Loose Moose Theatre and the Canada-wide Theatresports movement was born. And Quebec improvisation is something different yet again. But I do agree with the general idea that we're naturally a little bit better at it, for some cultural reason. Maybe it's shared cultural background and references, and a naturally cynical and jesting nature in the face of long winters and the elephant next door? Just as a pedantic note from someone who did improv for 10 years, Second City’s origins are American; the troupe evolved from Chicago’s Compass Players (which included Mike Nichols and Elaine May) into the first “Second City” troupe; Toronto’s group was second, there was a short-lived New York branch, and now another one in Detroit. The Second City school was based on American theatre teacher Viola Spolin’s work.

Canadian improv actually has more British roots – Keith Johnstone, ex of the Royal Court Theatre in London, moved to Canada and brought his theatre games with him (which toured Europe as the Theatre Machine in the 60s); he taught at Red Deer College in Alberta where Loose Moose Theatre and the Canada-wide Theatresports movement was born.

And Quebec improvisation is something different yet again.

But I do agree with the general idea that we’re naturally a little bit better at it, for some cultural reason. Maybe it’s shared cultural background and references, and a naturally cynical and jesting nature in the face of long winters and the elephant next door?

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