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	<title>Comments on: When Bad Things Happen on Good TV</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Ford</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/11/when-bad-things-happen-on-good-tv.html/comment-page-1#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Grant, but I would point out that, in many ways, this has been the staple of television&#039;s oldest genre: the soap opera.  On soaps, because there is no central character but rather an ensemble community of 30-40 characters, the idea of antagonist and protagonist is obliterated.  You&#039;re left with someone potentially a protagonist in one scene and an antagonist in the next.  And you&#039;re often left to marvel at the pure agony of people&#039;s situations.  Because the soap opera is a never-ending story, even moments of happiness prepare us for misery.  Nothing&#039;s more hopeless than a soap opera wedding.  More than likely, it will be interrupted and ruin, leaving bride in tears or groom abandoned at the altar.  In the rare event the couple makes it through the ceremony intact, we know that the trouble will probably start the next day.  Soap couples rarely get a chance to be happy, even for a honeymoon.  Couples that want to have children will probably be unable to conceive, or at least have significant trouble.  Couples who don&#039;t want children, or who sleep together on a one night stand, have a high risk of getting pregnant in one shot.  No genre out there is more fundamentally about misery.
I believe that&#039;s part of what has attracted viewers to the soap opera for decades.  We admire the characters not because most of them are essentially good people or that we&#039;re &quot;behind them&quot; but rather that we&#039;ve seen them survive all that life&#039;s had to throw at them for decades.  If they can survive all that more or less intact, than any misery life throws at us might not be so bad.
As a caveat, I think this is what Friday Night Lights accomplishes, and one could muse if this subject might be one of the reasons both soaps and FNL have struggled in the ratings.  I bought my father and mother FNL season one for Christmas last year.  Dad said that he liked the show but working for a company that makes wood products for home building has left him only working four days a week, and he found the show a little too depressing for his current situation.  I think that, if he&#039;d watched a few episodes, he&#039;d realize that it has the same effect that soaps does in some ways: leaving you with an amazement that the town of Dillon, Texas, stands and even thrives in its own way, despite the dire straits all its characters are in...The recent story arcs on that show that gives two key characters somewhat miraculous send-offs as they achieve the unlikely was inspiring but a little outside the realm of what that show usually does, giving us not what we hope for but what we&#039;re afraid will happen...Perhaps a little inspiration never hurt anybody, but I think it&#039;s a show that thrives most when it demonstrates life&#039;s imperfection.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Grant, but I would point out that, in many ways, this has been the staple of television&#8217;s oldest genre: the soap opera.  On soaps, because there is no central character but rather an ensemble community of 30-40 characters, the idea of antagonist and protagonist is obliterated.  You&#8217;re left with someone potentially a protagonist in one scene and an antagonist in the next.  And you&#8217;re often left to marvel at the pure agony of people&#8217;s situations.  Because the soap opera is a never-ending story, even moments of happiness prepare us for misery.  Nothing&#8217;s more hopeless than a soap opera wedding.  More than likely, it will be interrupted and ruin, leaving bride in tears or groom abandoned at the altar.  In the rare event the couple makes it through the ceremony intact, we know that the trouble will probably start the next day.  Soap couples rarely get a chance to be happy, even for a honeymoon.  Couples that want to have children will probably be unable to conceive, or at least have significant trouble.  Couples who don&#8217;t want children, or who sleep together on a one night stand, have a high risk of getting pregnant in one shot.  No genre out there is more fundamentally about misery.</p>
<p>I believe that&#8217;s part of what has attracted viewers to the soap opera for decades.  We admire the characters not because most of them are essentially good people or that we&#8217;re &#8220;behind them&#8221; but rather that we&#8217;ve seen them survive all that life&#8217;s had to throw at them for decades.  If they can survive all that more or less intact, than any misery life throws at us might not be so bad.</p>
<p>As a caveat, I think this is what Friday Night Lights accomplishes, and one could muse if this subject might be one of the reasons both soaps and FNL have struggled in the ratings.  I bought my father and mother FNL season one for Christmas last year.  Dad said that he liked the show but working for a company that makes wood products for home building has left him only working four days a week, and he found the show a little too depressing for his current situation.  I think that, if he&#8217;d watched a few episodes, he&#8217;d realize that it has the same effect that soaps does in some ways: leaving you with an amazement that the town of Dillon, Texas, stands and even thrives in its own way, despite the dire straits all its characters are in&#8230;The recent story arcs on that show that gives two key characters somewhat miraculous send-offs as they achieve the unlikely was inspiring but a little outside the realm of what that show usually does, giving us not what we hope for but what we&#8217;re afraid will happen&#8230;Perhaps a little inspiration never hurt anybody, but I think it&#8217;s a show that thrives most when it demonstrates life&#8217;s imperfection.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would agree that T:TSCC is a dark-themed show, there are still times when it displays human warmth and decency.  (The scene in the season 1 finale when Derek takes John to the park to see his father, for example.)  In addition, there is also humor, albeit of a dry, sardonic variety.
It&#039;s actually a good thing that series television is becoming more complex.  Life is complex.  People are complex.  You don&#039;t just reset everything at the end of the episode.  Every decision you make, every person you meet, every action you take, changes you.  This is what being human is all about.  The fact that some shows are beginning to reflect this strikes me as evidence that TV as a storytelling medium is maturing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would agree that T:TSCC is a dark-themed show, there are still times when it displays human warmth and decency.  (The scene in the season 1 finale when Derek takes John to the park to see his father, for example.)  In addition, there is also humor, albeit of a dry, sardonic variety.<br />
It&#8217;s actually a good thing that series television is becoming more complex.  Life is complex.  People are complex.  You don&#8217;t just reset everything at the end of the episode.  Every decision you make, every person you meet, every action you take, changes you.  This is what being human is all about.  The fact that some shows are beginning to reflect this strikes me as evidence that TV as a storytelling medium is maturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/11/when-bad-things-happen-on-good-tv.html/comment-page-1#comment-1168</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patients on Scrubs occasionally die, and that show is a comedy.
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		<title>By: Gladys Santiago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gladys Santiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Grant,
The link to Steven Johnson&#039;s Sleeper Curve theory is not working.
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The link to Steven Johnson&#8217;s Sleeper Curve theory is not working.</p>
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		<title>By: niko</title>
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		<dc:creator>niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this not something that has been slowly growing ever since se7ev (movie) let evil triumph over good and shows like soprano&#039;s, the wire, generation kill, and even the comedy hit californication have taken over the role of truth to power from cinema during the late 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s?
Tv follows money and the back-end (dvd&#039;s, reruns, webdeals)  for quality is now growing. the lifespan/age of tv shows has grown (up), so it&#039;s not just about getting laid and high schools proms, it&#039;s about the harships of knocking up your highschool sweetheart and living the life you so wanted to avoid.
a bit like when you listen to born to run(album) and then darkness on the egde of town (album)..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this not something that has been slowly growing ever since se7ev (movie) let evil triumph over good and shows like soprano&#8217;s, the wire, generation kill, and even the comedy hit californication have taken over the role of truth to power from cinema during the late 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s?</p>
<p>Tv follows money and the back-end (dvd&#8217;s, reruns, webdeals)  for quality is now growing. the lifespan/age of tv shows has grown (up), so it&#8217;s not just about getting laid and high schools proms, it&#8217;s about the harships of knocking up your highschool sweetheart and living the life you so wanted to avoid.</p>
<p>a bit like when you listen to born to run(album) and then darkness on the egde of town (album)..</p>
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		<title>By: John F.</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2008/11/when-bad-things-happen-on-good-tv.html/comment-page-1#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator>John F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tortoise reference was very much deliberate. At least one of the writers on the show confirmed it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tortoise reference was very much deliberate. At least one of the writers on the show confirmed it.</p>
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