Comments on: A cease and desist order http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html This Blog Sits At the Intersection of Anthropology and Economics Wed, 23 May 2012 20:32:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Scott Ellington http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-784 Scott Ellington Sat, 23 May 2009 12:33:19 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-784 "I have railed against it in these pages..." I've looked in what seemed like likely places hereabouts without finding a hint of rant/railing about product placement/integration nor insidious commercial branding of content. “I have railed against it in these pages…”

I’ve looked in what seemed like likely places hereabouts without finding a hint of rant/railing about product placement/integration nor insidious commercial branding of content.

]]> By: Steve Portigal http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-783 Steve Portigal Fri, 22 May 2009 15:42:38 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-783 I was thinking about product placement in the latest Star Trek movie. A child Kirk is driving a vintage (even in the future) sports car, and the phone rings. It's a Nokia, with a futuristic version of its sonic identity and with a honkin' huge logo <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/</a> has a bit more The movie is well written, acted, and plotted, but I think starts to bow under the weight of meta-content (i.e., Star Trek is a 40 year old franchise with a lot of meaning) and the clues and acknowledgments of the viewer's world (if only I could work "diegesis" in here somewhere) were a mix of authentic and distracting. The green blood. The green chick. Pike's wheelchair. Nice that you know and we know you know, but also a bit much. It's the context for filmmaking that's been established, especially with franchises and especially with prequels. But I just felt a 2009-weariness from it. Kirk's Nokia was just another example of our world hitting on their world. I was thinking about product placement in the latest Star Trek movie. A child Kirk is driving a vintage (even in the future) sports car, and the phone rings. It’s a Nokia, with a futuristic version of its sonic identity and with a honkin’ huge logo
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/10/nokia-cheesiness-featured-in-new-star-trek-movie/ has a bit more

The movie is well written, acted, and plotted, but I think starts to bow under the weight of meta-content (i.e., Star Trek is a 40 year old franchise with a lot of meaning) and the clues and acknowledgments of the viewer’s world (if only I could work “diegesis” in here somewhere) were a mix of authentic and distracting. The green blood. The green chick. Pike’s wheelchair. Nice that you know and we know you know, but also a bit much. It’s the context for filmmaking that’s been established, especially with franchises and especially with prequels. But I just felt a 2009-weariness from it. Kirk’s Nokia was just another example of our world hitting on their world.

]]> By: Bryan http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-782 Bryan Fri, 22 May 2009 12:38:36 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-782 Gossip Girl has been especially egregious with hawking Vitamin Water. NBC's Chuck was saved by slashing its budget and reducing its episode order to 13. And by cutting a deal with Subway. Rumor is, a character on the show may become a Subway employee. Gossip Girl has been especially egregious with hawking Vitamin Water. NBC’s Chuck was saved by slashing its budget and reducing its episode order to 13. And by cutting a deal with Subway. Rumor is, a character on the show may become a Subway employee.

]]> By: dl http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-781 dl Fri, 22 May 2009 07:21:56 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-781 ...and just so you know product integration and product placement let's independent storytellers have control over the advertising that is associated with their stories...otherwise they don't ...oy. You really need to think about what you are arguing here. It is the only way to keep storytelling democratic and productive. Even Shakespeare used props...and markets. …and just so you know product integration and product placement let’s independent storytellers have control over the advertising that is associated with their stories…otherwise they don’t …oy. You really need to think about what you are arguing here. It is the only way to keep storytelling democratic and productive. Even Shakespeare used props…and markets.

]]> By: dl http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-780 dl Fri, 22 May 2009 07:18:14 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-780 Grant I hate to say it but you are showing your age and your lack of understanding of the production process. Product integration is in the real world. Product integration is inherently in ALL programming. The "evil" is when you say things like "remove product placement"...so then everyone will be naked and in white boxes acting out performances with limited vocabulary. the idea of removing product integration is ...I have to say for the first time about you ...kind of ignorant (in the real sense of the term) and ill informed. The danger is when the story creator does not get to say where it is comfortable...and fitting in the story. Not trying to be a jerk here...but you would have to understand production to understand that. Grant

I hate to say it but you are showing your age and your lack of understanding of the production process. Product integration is in the real world. Product integration is inherently in ALL programming. The “evil” is when you say things like “remove product placement”…so then everyone will be naked and in white boxes acting out performances with limited vocabulary.

the idea of removing product integration is …I have to say for the first time about you …kind of ignorant (in the real sense of the term) and ill informed.

The danger is when the story creator does not get to say where it is comfortable…and fitting in the story.

Not trying to be a jerk here…but you would have to understand production to understand that.

]]> By: Zbigniew Lukasiak http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-779 Zbigniew Lukasiak Fri, 22 May 2009 06:20:05 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-779 Hmm - I thought it is game - "who first will spot the placed companies". Hmm – I thought it is game – “who first will spot the placed companies”.

]]> By: Scott Ellington http://cultureby.com/2009/05/a-cease-and-desist-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-778 Scott Ellington Thu, 21 May 2009 19:17:39 +0000 http://localhost/wp_culture/?p=95#comment-778 Don Draper's reputation as a go-to visionary was so much nominal smoke&mirrors for me until the moment in which he pitched the Kodak Carousel (of Dreams). Bronson's Sportster and Stiles' Corvette(s) weren't just integrated into their respective series, they were absolutely necessary to the stories that were told. The substitution of a Honda 50 or a Dodge Dart, Plymouth Valiant, even a '40 Ford would have resulted in different tales. I don't know that Movin' On really had to have a Peterbilt, but there really is an American lust for the open road that's definitive and very picky. Studio 60 confronted the problem of product integration explictly and resolved it in a way that radiated integrity, artistically. Unfortunately, that's not the kind of sensibility you and Mr. Dobrow are talking about. I think it isn't an idiot idea, I think it's the logical extension of 60 years of broadcast television, and that in those 60 years perps have very rarely integrated product in a way that elevates content. Don Draper’s reputation as a go-to visionary was so much nominal smoke&mirrors for me until the moment in which he pitched the Kodak Carousel (of Dreams). Bronson’s Sportster and Stiles’ Corvette(s) weren’t just integrated into their respective series, they were absolutely necessary to the stories that were told. The substitution of a Honda 50 or a Dodge Dart, Plymouth Valiant, even a ’40 Ford would have resulted in different tales. I don’t know that Movin’ On really had to have a Peterbilt, but there really is an American lust for the open road that’s definitive and very picky.

Studio 60 confronted the problem of product integration explictly and resolved it in a way that radiated integrity, artistically. Unfortunately, that’s not the kind of sensibility you and Mr. Dobrow are talking about. I think it isn’t an idiot idea, I think it’s the logical extension of 60 years of broadcast television, and that in those 60 years perps have very rarely integrated product in a way that elevates content.

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