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		<title>By: T. Snow</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2009/07/mffb-missing-from-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming late to the conversation. I haven’t read your blog in awhile, and I usually enjoy it. But I have to say that this time you’re way off the mark, enough so that I am prompted to respond.
Your disdain (“How odd”) for MFFBs, and your subsequent ghettoization of the group, by assigning it a term which suggests that those people are somehow delinquent in their obligation to show up for something everyone else is doing, including yourself, is obvious. Your own enthusiasm for social networking has clouded your judgement in being able to appreciate the nuances that may attend an individual’s absence from facebook. Why is it indicative of an “anti” anything stance? Maybe it’s because there are other ways that person wishes to spend their time. Why must it be interpreted as an aggressive act?
I chose not to list myself in the phonebook, when phonebooks existed. I had nothing against phonebooks, or the people in them, and in fact, I used phonebooks myself from time to time. I just didn’t want to be so accessible.
Are people who go on retreats, or chose to live off the grid, or in solitude, all society haters? Some of them are, perhaps, but probably a small minority. It would be irresponsible for a social scientist to lump them all into one big, society-hating category. There are many reasons why a person might choose that lifestyle. Different values, for one. Why would you judge them for it, if not because their choice threatened yours in some way?
You might try to look beyond your own knee-jerk prejudice if you really to understand why some people choose to live a facebook-free life.
Try this one on for size:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://spectatrix.com/2009/03/10/facebook-the-honeymoons-over/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spectatrix.com/2009/03/10/facebook-the-honeymoons-over/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming late to the conversation. I haven’t read your blog in awhile, and I usually enjoy it. But I have to say that this time you’re way off the mark, enough so that I am prompted to respond.</p>
<p>Your disdain (“How odd”) for MFFBs, and your subsequent ghettoization of the group, by assigning it a term which suggests that those people are somehow delinquent in their obligation to show up for something everyone else is doing, including yourself, is obvious. Your own enthusiasm for social networking has clouded your judgement in being able to appreciate the nuances that may attend an individual’s absence from facebook. Why is it indicative of an “anti” anything stance? Maybe it’s because there are other ways that person wishes to spend their time. Why must it be interpreted as an aggressive act?</p>
<p>I chose not to list myself in the phonebook, when phonebooks existed. I had nothing against phonebooks, or the people in them, and in fact, I used phonebooks myself from time to time. I just didn’t want to be so accessible.</p>
<p>Are people who go on retreats, or chose to live off the grid, or in solitude, all society haters? Some of them are, perhaps, but probably a small minority. It would be irresponsible for a social scientist to lump them all into one big, society-hating category. There are many reasons why a person might choose that lifestyle. Different values, for one. Why would you judge them for it, if not because their choice threatened yours in some way?</p>
<p>You might try to look beyond your own knee-jerk prejudice if you really to understand why some people choose to live a facebook-free life.</p>
<p>Try this one on for size:<br />
<a href="http://spectatrix.com/2009/03/10/facebook-the-honeymoons-over/" rel="nofollow">http://spectatrix.com/2009/03/10/facebook-the-honeymoons-over/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pearce</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2009/07/mffb-missing-from-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook is a key part of the must worse problem of time spent online. Reading about the experiences of our friends, publicizing our own, exchanging about them, will never ever replace the value of experiencing life outside in the real world. Ask anyone to talk about bumping into an old friend or meeting a new acquaintance in a store or a bar and compare that to the same encounter online - the energy, the passion, the vitality of the experience is incomparable. Many of us have (or could have) very full lives seeing our friends and relatives more often in person and keeping touch with a few important ones online. Like many things in the digital age, an increase in quantity has not led to increase of quality, productivity or meaningful results. We only have to ask ourselves, when are (were) we happier, online or off? Facebook may be a valuable network, but the social, sociological, psychological and physiological opportunity costs of time spent on it, as anything online, are fundamental, and potentially devastating for us as living, breathing feeling social human beings.
As the sources of thoughts multiply exponentially, the value of thought communicated one to one, or through example, increases. A true thought leader doesn&#039;t not need to promote himself in a mass way. His or her influence will always be strongest in person, and their reputation will be spread by others. Would you rather mildly influence a thousand netizens for a day or even a year or two, or profoundly influence your family members, close friends and colleagues for a lifetime? This is not a philosophical debate, this is an operational reality, and I sense that the fact that many chose to stay off Facebook is very evidence of this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook is a key part of the must worse problem of time spent online. Reading about the experiences of our friends, publicizing our own, exchanging about them, will never ever replace the value of experiencing life outside in the real world. Ask anyone to talk about bumping into an old friend or meeting a new acquaintance in a store or a bar and compare that to the same encounter online &#8211; the energy, the passion, the vitality of the experience is incomparable. Many of us have (or could have) very full lives seeing our friends and relatives more often in person and keeping touch with a few important ones online. Like many things in the digital age, an increase in quantity has not led to increase of quality, productivity or meaningful results. We only have to ask ourselves, when are (were) we happier, online or off? Facebook may be a valuable network, but the social, sociological, psychological and physiological opportunity costs of time spent on it, as anything online, are fundamental, and potentially devastating for us as living, breathing feeling social human beings.</p>
<p>As the sources of thoughts multiply exponentially, the value of thought communicated one to one, or through example, increases. A true thought leader doesn&#8217;t not need to promote himself in a mass way. His or her influence will always be strongest in person, and their reputation will be spread by others. Would you rather mildly influence a thousand netizens for a day or even a year or two, or profoundly influence your family members, close friends and colleagues for a lifetime? This is not a philosophical debate, this is an operational reality, and I sense that the fact that many chose to stay off Facebook is very evidence of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Franck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Franck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny. When I searched for Grant McCracken on FB it returned 26 results.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=grant+mccracken&amp;init=q&amp;sid=6cb8fdfd40a5f28a0ef448eb1b973005&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=grant+mccracken&amp;init=q&amp;sid=6cb8fdfd40a5f28a0ef448eb1b973005&lt;/a&gt;
Haven&#039;t been able to figure out which one is you yet ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny. When I searched for Grant McCracken on FB it returned 26 results.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=grant+mccracken&#038;init=q&#038;sid=6cb8fdfd40a5f28a0ef448eb1b973005" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=grant+mccracken&#038;init=q&#038;sid=6cb8fdfd40a5f28a0ef448eb1b973005</a></p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t been able to figure out which one is you yet &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Talin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but after reading this post I have a lot of pent-up rant energy that has to be released.
I don&#039;t use FB for the simple reason that I am burned out on social networking sites. I was an early adopter of Friendster, Tribes, OKCupid, LinkedIn, and others - and I never got anything useful from any of them. Oh, it was fun for a while building up a social graph of people that I knew - but then that social graph just sat there and did nothing. A mere handful of messages flowed back and forth, compared to hundreds of emails from friends over the same time period. Most of the messages I received from these services is automatic email updates for things that I didn&#039;t care about. Eventually I abandoned these sites because there was nothing for me there.
When I write, I write essays - I think long and hard about what I want to write, and then take care to write it clearly and completely. I&#039;m not interested in tweets or updates - I really don&#039;t care what you happen to be doing right now, nor have I any interest in anyone else knowing what I am doing. I&#039;m not interested in casual chit-chat, I&#039;d rather hear an argument or a lecture, something from which I can learn new insights about the world.
When I hear your plea for me to join FB, what I hear is &quot;come on in sucker, and get prepared for another disappointment.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but after reading this post I have a lot of pent-up rant energy that has to be released.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use FB for the simple reason that I am burned out on social networking sites. I was an early adopter of Friendster, Tribes, OKCupid, LinkedIn, and others &#8211; and I never got anything useful from any of them. Oh, it was fun for a while building up a social graph of people that I knew &#8211; but then that social graph just sat there and did nothing. A mere handful of messages flowed back and forth, compared to hundreds of emails from friends over the same time period. Most of the messages I received from these services is automatic email updates for things that I didn&#8217;t care about. Eventually I abandoned these sites because there was nothing for me there.</p>
<p>When I write, I write essays &#8211; I think long and hard about what I want to write, and then take care to write it clearly and completely. I&#8217;m not interested in tweets or updates &#8211; I really don&#8217;t care what you happen to be doing right now, nor have I any interest in anyone else knowing what I am doing. I&#8217;m not interested in casual chit-chat, I&#8217;d rather hear an argument or a lecture, something from which I can learn new insights about the world.</p>
<p>When I hear your plea for me to join FB, what I hear is &#8220;come on in sucker, and get prepared for another disappointment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the bits brought together by the various commenters. I think a lot of people have divided digital selves, and I think the divide between digital and non-digital citizens has more to do with class than age  - plenty of my young students in the Inland Empire are far behind in computer skills. At the same time, 42 year old me has been immersed in the net since DARPA days and then imagine the mastery my eight year old multi-player gamer son will have when he hits 18, he&#039;s been on computers since he was a toddler. The rich get richer...
Wired last month had an article on why they think FB will win at the game of syncing these personas across the board: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the bits brought together by the various commenters. I think a lot of people have divided digital selves, and I think the divide between digital and non-digital citizens has more to do with class than age  &#8211; plenty of my young students in the Inland Empire are far behind in computer skills. At the same time, 42 year old me has been immersed in the net since DARPA days and then imagine the mastery my eight year old multi-player gamer son will have when he hits 18, he&#8217;s been on computers since he was a toddler. The rich get richer&#8230;</p>
<p>Wired last month had an article on why they think FB will win at the game of syncing these personas across the board: <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall</a></p>
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		<title>By: chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM Wrote: (One example: millennials are hard to manage these days because the social network has replaced the corporation has their primary &quot;safety net.&quot;  Now that they have Facebook, a job at a big corporation matters much less.)
Hmmm. I&#039;ve seen a correlation from Yankelovich related to this--people with more of a FB network are less concerned about losing their job. But I&#039;d worry about that implying causation, or that millenials are viewing FB as their safety net. Will their FB &quot;friends&quot; pay them if their corporation fires them? It seems to me that&#039;s a function of youth--in your 20s you do not worry as much about losing a job since you have few responsibilities, and you can always crash on Mom and Dad&#039;s couch. And millenials are by definition younger.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM Wrote: (One example: millennials are hard to manage these days because the social network has replaced the corporation has their primary &#8220;safety net.&#8221;  Now that they have Facebook, a job at a big corporation matters much less.)</p>
<p>Hmmm. I&#8217;ve seen a correlation from Yankelovich related to this&#8211;people with more of a FB network are less concerned about losing their job. But I&#8217;d worry about that implying causation, or that millenials are viewing FB as their safety net. Will their FB &#8220;friends&#8221; pay them if their corporation fires them? It seems to me that&#8217;s a function of youth&#8211;in your 20s you do not worry as much about losing a job since you have few responsibilities, and you can always crash on Mom and Dad&#8217;s couch. And millenials are by definition younger.</p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant - you mentioned you have done the research that supports the continuation of the Facebook phenom.  Can you direct me to that research?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant &#8211; you mentioned you have done the research that supports the continuation of the Facebook phenom.  Can you direct me to that research?</p>
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		<title>By: botogol</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2009/07/mffb-missing-from-facebook.html/comment-page-1#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>botogol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant
I think you are right (and bang on) about the importnace and impact of social networks in general, but not necessarily about FB in particular - it may last it may not.
FB (and other networks) are very BLUNT tools for managing and communicating with friends. I badly want to stratify my FB friends into family, friends, aquainances, blog readers, colleagues, neighbours and so on. I want to communicate with them in different ways (I don&#039;t want my holiday pictures displayed to my colleauges). I can see how people therefore maintain whacky personas on MS, a sensible one on FB and a business one on LinkedIn. That&#039;s not sustainable. The first network to crack the multiple circles of friends will start to draw ahead.
alternatively, and perhaps as well, I think we&#039;ll eventually see open networks of networks, so that my persona on linkedin can &#039;friend&#039; and talk to your persona on facebook.
An interesting post.
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<p>I think you are right (and bang on) about the importnace and impact of social networks in general, but not necessarily about FB in particular &#8211; it may last it may not.</p>
<p>FB (and other networks) are very BLUNT tools for managing and communicating with friends. I badly want to stratify my FB friends into family, friends, aquainances, blog readers, colleagues, neighbours and so on. I want to communicate with them in different ways (I don&#8217;t want my holiday pictures displayed to my colleauges). I can see how people therefore maintain whacky personas on MS, a sensible one on FB and a business one on LinkedIn. That&#8217;s not sustainable. The first network to crack the multiple circles of friends will start to draw ahead.</p>
<p>alternatively, and perhaps as well, I think we&#8217;ll eventually see open networks of networks, so that my persona on linkedin can &#8216;friend&#8217; and talk to your persona on facebook.</p>
<p>An interesting post.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of points - it is perfectly possible to not be on Facebook, or on Facebook and not active, and still be a part of a vibrant web community via other tools. Each tool, whether Twitter, LinkedIn or CyWorld, has its own community and to imply that Facbook is the be all and end all is just plain wrong. Facebook is one tool, and it&#039;s attractive to some people and not to others.
Secondly, the concept of a generational divide between the &#039;digital natives&#039; and &#039;digital immigrants&#039;, as promulgated by Prensky, Tapscott and others is not supported by the evidence. The truth is much more boring - some of the &#039;net generation&#039; do indeed grasp technology very easily, but many more do not have access, are socially excluded from the web, or make a conscious decision to opt out. Papers by Selwyn and Bennett et al both review the evidence and conclude that the concept of a generational divide has more to do with moral panic than it does reality.
I just wrote a long blog post on the idea of generational digital capability, if you&#039;re interested: &lt;a href=&quot;http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/01/myths-of-age-and-digital-capability&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/01/myths-of-age-and-digital-capability&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of points &#8211; it is perfectly possible to not be on Facebook, or on Facebook and not active, and still be a part of a vibrant web community via other tools. Each tool, whether Twitter, LinkedIn or CyWorld, has its own community and to imply that Facbook is the be all and end all is just plain wrong. Facebook is one tool, and it&#8217;s attractive to some people and not to others.</p>
<p>Secondly, the concept of a generational divide between the &#8216;digital natives&#8217; and &#8216;digital immigrants&#8217;, as promulgated by Prensky, Tapscott and others is not supported by the evidence. The truth is much more boring &#8211; some of the &#8216;net generation&#8217; do indeed grasp technology very easily, but many more do not have access, are socially excluded from the web, or make a conscious decision to opt out. Papers by Selwyn and Bennett et al both review the evidence and conclude that the concept of a generational divide has more to do with moral panic than it does reality.</p>
<p>I just wrote a long blog post on the idea of generational digital capability, if you&#8217;re interested: <a href="http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/01/myths-of-age-and-digital-capability" rel="nofollow">http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/01/myths-of-age-and-digital-capability</a></p>
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		<title>By: botogol</title>
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		<dc:creator>botogol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The seven stages of social networking.
ignorance... what&#039;s a blog?
incredulity, derision and willful misunderstanding .. you mean several times a day, short messages, but who on earth cares that you&#039;ve just finished the washing up?
fear and suspicion... when I was their age we *spoke* to our friends, it can&#039;t be good all this screentime - and these people I heard of: they tweeted they were on holiday and their house was burgled
unwillingly intrigued... well, apparently she saw it on facebook and so..
toe in the water... No, I&#039;m only on it to see what the children are doing.
gentle usage... no, hardly at all, just a few status updates, but, wow, it&#039;s surprising all these old friends that find you, I hadn&#039;t seen her for nearly 20 years and out of nowhere she friended me
immersion... so, I&#039;ve got my facebook updates going out automatically as tweets, plus on the sidebar of my blog, I&#039;ve got 129 friends, which is too many really, I&#039;m going to start refusing
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<p>ignorance&#8230; what&#8217;s a blog?</p>
<p>incredulity, derision and willful misunderstanding .. you mean several times a day, short messages, but who on earth cares that you&#8217;ve just finished the washing up?</p>
<p>fear and suspicion&#8230; when I was their age we *spoke* to our friends, it can&#8217;t be good all this screentime &#8211; and these people I heard of: they tweeted they were on holiday and their house was burgled</p>
<p>unwillingly intrigued&#8230; well, apparently she saw it on facebook and so..</p>
<p>toe in the water&#8230; No, I&#8217;m only on it to see what the children are doing.</p>
<p>gentle usage&#8230; no, hardly at all, just a few status updates, but, wow, it&#8217;s surprising all these old friends that find you, I hadn&#8217;t seen her for nearly 20 years and out of nowhere she friended me</p>
<p>immersion&#8230; so, I&#8217;ve got my facebook updates going out automatically as tweets, plus on the sidebar of my blog, I&#8217;ve got 129 friends, which is too many really, I&#8217;m going to start refusing</p>
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