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	<title>Comments on: Gourmet, Saveur and the paradox of food in America</title>
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		<title>By: Hayden</title>
		<link>http://cultureby.com/2009/10/gourmet-saveur-and-the-culture-of-food-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are the &quot;people&quot; in &quot;prosperous America&quot; who are cooking out less and buying trophy stoves?  And what are the time frame(s) over which the trend is considered?
Is it possible that much of the reduction in cooking is due not to the implied increases in family income in the US, but instead significantly to increases in opportunity for women over the past 50 years (the same changes that have helped reduce the number of nuns in the Catholic Church), and the increase in family households where both parents, or the only parent, work(s)?
Are these &quot;people&quot; those who have higher incomes?  News reports recently have suggested that there is less eating out among families generally, and particularly lower-income families.
None of the above are fatal to the post&#039;s main point to consider the difference between audiences and audience roles for Gourmet and Saveur.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are the &#8220;people&#8221; in &#8220;prosperous America&#8221; who are cooking out less and buying trophy stoves?  And what are the time frame(s) over which the trend is considered?</p>
<p>Is it possible that much of the reduction in cooking is due not to the implied increases in family income in the US, but instead significantly to increases in opportunity for women over the past 50 years (the same changes that have helped reduce the number of nuns in the Catholic Church), and the increase in family households where both parents, or the only parent, work(s)?</p>
<p>Are these &#8220;people&#8221; those who have higher incomes?  News reports recently have suggested that there is less eating out among families generally, and particularly lower-income families.</p>
<p>None of the above are fatal to the post&#8217;s main point to consider the difference between audiences and audience roles for Gourmet and Saveur.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get my food culture and my recipes from The Art of Eating newsletter. It takes production and consumption and the space in which food is embedded seriously and without slavishly following anyone or anything. Red wine with cheese? Fuggedabout it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get my food culture and my recipes from The Art of Eating newsletter. It takes production and consumption and the space in which food is embedded seriously and without slavishly following anyone or anything. Red wine with cheese? Fuggedabout it.</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting to read.
Maybe, the people Gourmet was aimed at, i.e. people who probably have a higher income and work much, but have therefore less time to actually cook, are more interested in the culture of food.
Also, you can find recipes online. You would not need to buy a magazine for that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to read.</p>
<p>Maybe, the people Gourmet was aimed at, i.e. people who probably have a higher income and work much, but have therefore less time to actually cook, are more interested in the culture of food.</p>
<p>Also, you can find recipes online. You would not need to buy a magazine for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Rosch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula Rosch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant - what a great observation and great blog.  As one who once subscribed to all the food magazines, I had a goal of making at least one recipe from them each month.  I think that stopped back in 1985 when I was seduced by a 5-layer cake on the Bon Appetit cover, perched on a pedestal plate, its caramel frosting flowing gracefully down its side. I decided to make it for my birthday.  Of course, to prop up my sunken layers, I had to make additional frosting, which not only oozed out of the sides like lava but glopped over the plate edge.  Even the frosting seemed to be trying to get away.
Saveur has been my magazine of choice for the very reasons you mention - I do love to cook but mostly I love to eat food, read about food, enjoy the culture of food. By the way, Cucina Italiana is another excellent choice for just that purpose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant &#8211; what a great observation and great blog.  As one who once subscribed to all the food magazines, I had a goal of making at least one recipe from them each month.  I think that stopped back in 1985 when I was seduced by a 5-layer cake on the Bon Appetit cover, perched on a pedestal plate, its caramel frosting flowing gracefully down its side. I decided to make it for my birthday.  Of course, to prop up my sunken layers, I had to make additional frosting, which not only oozed out of the sides like lava but glopped over the plate edge.  Even the frosting seemed to be trying to get away.</p>
<p>Saveur has been my magazine of choice for the very reasons you mention &#8211; I do love to cook but mostly I love to eat food, read about food, enjoy the culture of food. By the way, Cucina Italiana is another excellent choice for just that purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, the localization and greening/organic movement (thanks in part to M. Pollan) have brought us all closer to the stories behind the food we buy and eat. We want to know about where our steaks come from, we want to meet the people who grow the grapes that make the wine we buy (from our wine clubs, of course). Saveur, in short, tells us about the nature of food.
Gourmet, as a commenter correctly says above, is an anachronistic word. We aren&#039;t &quot;gourmets&quot; anymore - that&#039;s an outdated idea. We just care about things a little differently than we did 10 years ago.
And no, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s about cooking - it&#039;s about knowing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, the localization and greening/organic movement (thanks in part to M. Pollan) have brought us all closer to the stories behind the food we buy and eat. We want to know about where our steaks come from, we want to meet the people who grow the grapes that make the wine we buy (from our wine clubs, of course). Saveur, in short, tells us about the nature of food.</p>
<p>Gourmet, as a commenter correctly says above, is an anachronistic word. We aren&#8217;t &#8220;gourmets&#8221; anymore &#8211; that&#8217;s an outdated idea. We just care about things a little differently than we did 10 years ago.</p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about cooking &#8211; it&#8217;s about knowing.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two of the top 50 iPhone apps are recipes, perhaps suggesting other interpretations, like &quot;free&quot; sells. There are really so many fre sources for recipes, why subscribe? So nothing to do with the out sourcing of &quot;homework&quot;, a 90s concept &amp; everything to do with &quot;free&quot;, a 2009 fad concept. Between my cookbooks &amp; the web recipes aren&#039;t a problem - finding a place to go out is extremely problematic
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of the top 50 iPhone apps are recipes, perhaps suggesting other interpretations, like &#8220;free&#8221; sells. There are really so many fre sources for recipes, why subscribe? So nothing to do with the out sourcing of &#8220;homework&#8221;, a 90s concept &#038; everything to do with &#8220;free&#8221;, a 2009 fad concept. Between my cookbooks &#038; the web recipes aren&#8217;t a problem &#8211; finding a place to go out is extremely problematic</p>
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		<title>By: thoughtbasket</title>
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		<dc:creator>thoughtbasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just last weekend the Saturday WSJ did a piece on rock star chefs, who are selling out auditoriums as fans pay just to watch them cook. I doubt if these fans are watching to learn how to make the dishes at home; the excitement is in the cultural event around the food rather than the food per se.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just last weekend the Saturday WSJ did a piece on rock star chefs, who are selling out auditoriums as fans pay just to watch them cook. I doubt if these fans are watching to learn how to make the dishes at home; the excitement is in the cultural event around the food rather than the food per se.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t read any of the cooking magazines because that would cut into my cooking time.  ;-)
Oddly, Bon Appetit sent my husband a free subscription.  We have no idea why.
I belong to a community of people, mostly women, who produce at home and blog about it.  (My blog shows cooking, sewing, knitting, tie-dying, gardening and the occasional computer programming trick from my market job as a physicist.)
I watched the parade of kids at work last year on &quot;Bring your daughter to work day&quot;, and I realized that most kids watch consumption more often than they watch production.  That is, we bring them shopping with us, but we don&#039;t bring them to work with us.  As Witold Rybczynski pointed out, home is both a workplace and a place of repose.  Kids can be innoculated from commercial messages if they see home production as daily practice.
I read &quot;The Enthusiast&quot; blog to find out what Heather had for dinner last night.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;
It&#039;s interesting to see her creative use of seasonal ingredients and leftovers.
I am the neighborhood coordinator for a CSA program.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search/label/CSA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search/label/CSA&lt;/a&gt;
I tried to explain to someone that I don&#039;t really cook (in the Mark Miller sense).  I just process food every weekend in preparation for the frantic workweek in a 2-career family with children.  I described to a friend how I make salad dressing in little blender jars, make yogurt in an incubator (glorified thermos but more expensive), make a giant vat of soup and a medium one of slow-cooked oatmeal, make a fruit salad, boil eggs and chop up veggies for weeknight salads--in about 2-3 hours each Sunday.
It wasn&#039;t until I read Pollan&#039;s article that I realized that qualifies as cooking.  Have you ever read a Mark Miller recipe?  It relies on obscure ingredients that I will not find in my local grocery store.  It would take a treasure hunt, even in LA to source all his ingredients.  I have yet to make a single recipe out of the Coyote Cafe cookbook for that reason.
Anyway, sorry for the long ramble.  I have so many food issues.  I guess that is why I am a blogger.  ;-)
Give me a heads up when you visit LA and I can bore you with how giving measurements in recipes can actually reduce the quality of the outcome.  I say that as someone who worked her way through Berkeley in an analytical Chemistry lab and also as an assistant kitchen manager at her dorm.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t read any of the cooking magazines because that would cut into my cooking time.  <img src='http://cultureby.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oddly, Bon Appetit sent my husband a free subscription.  We have no idea why.</p>
<p>I belong to a community of people, mostly women, who produce at home and blog about it.  (My blog shows cooking, sewing, knitting, tie-dying, gardening and the occasional computer programming trick from my market job as a physicist.)</p>
<p>I watched the parade of kids at work last year on &#8220;Bring your daughter to work day&#8221;, and I realized that most kids watch consumption more often than they watch production.  That is, we bring them shopping with us, but we don&#8217;t bring them to work with us.  As Witold Rybczynski pointed out, home is both a workplace and a place of repose.  Kids can be innoculated from commercial messages if they see home production as daily practice.</p>
<p>I read &#8220;The Enthusiast&#8221; blog to find out what Heather had for dinner last night.<br />
<a href="http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/http://theenthusiast-heather.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see her creative use of seasonal ingredients and leftovers.</p>
<p>I am the neighborhood coordinator for a CSA program.<br />
<a href="http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search/label/CSA" rel="nofollow">http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search/label/CSA</a></p>
<p>I tried to explain to someone that I don&#8217;t really cook (in the Mark Miller sense).  I just process food every weekend in preparation for the frantic workweek in a 2-career family with children.  I described to a friend how I make salad dressing in little blender jars, make yogurt in an incubator (glorified thermos but more expensive), make a giant vat of soup and a medium one of slow-cooked oatmeal, make a fruit salad, boil eggs and chop up veggies for weeknight salads&#8211;in about 2-3 hours each Sunday.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until I read Pollan&#8217;s article that I realized that qualifies as cooking.  Have you ever read a Mark Miller recipe?  It relies on obscure ingredients that I will not find in my local grocery store.  It would take a treasure hunt, even in LA to source all his ingredients.  I have yet to make a single recipe out of the Coyote Cafe cookbook for that reason.</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the long ramble.  I have so many food issues.  I guess that is why I am a blogger.  <img src='http://cultureby.com/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Give me a heads up when you visit LA and I can bore you with how giving measurements in recipes can actually reduce the quality of the outcome.  I say that as someone who worked her way through Berkeley in an analytical Chemistry lab and also as an assistant kitchen manager at her dorm.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Demori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Demori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.
I read an old Michael Pollan article recently and, to paraphrase, &quot;More and more people are sitting on the couch watching cooking shows, but less people are cooking.&quot;
People enjoy the IDEA of being creative and making something with their hands, but in this age of instant gratification it&#039;s just easier to have someone else make it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>I read an old Michael Pollan article recently and, to paraphrase, &#8220;More and more people are sitting on the couch watching cooking shows, but less people are cooking.&#8221;</p>
<p>People enjoy the IDEA of being creative and making something with their hands, but in this age of instant gratification it&#8217;s just easier to have someone else make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mantey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Mantey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simplistic as it seems, I think the word Gourmet has lost its power.  No way to quantify, but it is/was overused and inaccurately applied as a descriptor to all sorts of sub-gourmet experiences.
With the conspicuous consumption era over, having a Gourmet (means nothing differentiated today) magazine on your coffee table seems like you are trying really hard to show off your refined-ness.
Advertisers and their agencies are tuned in to this and ad pages shrink.
Oh and BTW, CN still sells in a very 1.0 way.  Assuming their titles and brands still mean something to advertisers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simplistic as it seems, I think the word Gourmet has lost its power.  No way to quantify, but it is/was overused and inaccurately applied as a descriptor to all sorts of sub-gourmet experiences.</p>
<p>With the conspicuous consumption era over, having a Gourmet (means nothing differentiated today) magazine on your coffee table seems like you are trying really hard to show off your refined-ness.</p>
<p>Advertisers and their agencies are tuned in to this and ad pages shrink.</p>
<p>Oh and BTW, CN still sells in a very 1.0 way.  Assuming their titles and brands still mean something to advertisers.</p>
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